Originally Posted by ckt101

People who know they are not doing anything wrong don't hide in parks and flee from cameras.

Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008

Apparently this guy use to work at Chrysler...

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/09/v...ich/#continued

Originally Posted by JasonD

I'd like to see a nationwide poll taken that involves this scenario:

Imagine for a moment that you were in the showroom looking to buy a new vehicle. The price and payments are right, your credit is approved and you are just doing a final check to ensure that the vehicle is right for you. As you look it over, the salesperson is demonstrating the vehicle features and the this statement is made:

"...this vehicle has 6 airbags, anti-lock brakes, plus stability and handling control. In addition, it was built in part by the hands of autoworkers that were either intoxicated or had just smoked marijuana, or both. Sign here."

How many would still buy that vehicle? My guess is few. This is the message being sent to every potential auto buyer, and those who are defending the actions of these guys instead need to condemn them because this hurts them and their livelihood as well. Perhaps they are too busy covering the asses of the "good ol' boys club" to realize this. I wouldn't want someone to fix the plane I fly on when they were loaded. I hope the guys who change my oil aren't baked when they do it. I wouldn't even want someone to cut my hair when bombed. I sure as hell wouldn't ant to play my safety and my family's safety in the hands of these guys.

Don't ask the other auto workers how they feel about it (although it was a tip from other autoworkers from that plant which started everything). Ask the people who were going to buy that car. Ask the people who have to work on them under warranty (which again, is rolled into the price of the car). Ask the people trying to sell these vehicles. I wonder how THEY feel about it, because to me, that is more important.

Forget the union, forget the buyout, forget all of that. The bottom line is this looks bad because it is bad. There is no justification for it. Any excuse that can be made for this is flimsy.

• Their job is stressful. So is mine. So is the job of a brain surgeon. Is it okay that they perform the same activity just before going back to work? Air traffic controllers have a stressful job as well. I it okay they wake and bake before they go to work? If they have a substance abuse problem or any problem, they should be big boys and deal with it accordingly. It sure looked like they were having fun from the footage. It was more like happy hour than "dealing with a problem". Your job is stressful? Quit and get a different one! There's a lot of people waiting in line for YOUR job, and CAN and WILL do it better and without being loaded! I'll back this statement up by betting one-year's salary that I can do their job better for one year without touching booze, beer, or even a cigarette. This isn't a blind statement, I used to be a conveyor engineer for an auto plant, I know what it takes.
  
• They were on their own time. That's right, they were. However, the effects of what they did on their own time carried into being on the clock. They are responsible for making quality vehicles. How many times have you bought something that was defective and felt screwed? Did you wonder if who put it together was drunk or just didn't care? Imagine if it was a $40,000 item. That's how every 2011 Grand Cherokee owner feels right now.
  
• They have quality control to catch the faults of the workers. And that quality control costs time and money and gets rolled into the price of the car. When some stoned or drunk auto worker doesn't do his job effectively, and faults are caught, the vehicle that could have been approved for sale has to go through another process, and that time and lost production gets once again rolled into the price of the vehicle.
  
• This happens in every industry, every day. And that makes it okay? That simply states that it is worse than it needs to be. People have the "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign" bumper sticker on their car. After seeing that, you almost can't blame some for buying foreign. This is just one more black mark on the American automotive industry. The bumper stickers should be changed to say "Out of a job yet? Keep going to work drunk and/or stoned."

This all just sucks. These guys were wrong, they know it and so does everyone else. Those who defend it need to wake up and look at what the industry has been going through over the past few years. Auto workers like this are a big part of the problem.

Originally Posted by guionM

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On the flip side, I doubt there is anyone on this site who has never had a beer or a cocktail ever during their lunch. .

Originally Posted by danksontl

There is no way that supervisors didn't know about this kind of activity. How can they not smell it on them.

Originally Posted by 94Camaro_Z_28

They are lazy, useless, and deserve to be fired, but instead, they are protected and get $40/hr to screw everything up.

Originally Posted by guionm

anyone looking using this as an anti-union stance really has their head up their a**. Everyplace there is a small group of rejects who do stupid stuff like this. This type of behavior is banned in pretty much every union contract (let alone work rules in most places), and is grounds for immediate termination if discovered or it affects their job performance (afterall, this did take place off grounds and off the clock, right??... Therefore, not typically under company time or rules).

I see some also missed the part where the tip off came from another uaw member.

On the flip side, i doubt there is anyone on this site who has never had a beer or a cocktail ever during their lunch. I'm also pretty sure that we all know someone at work who is known to smoke weed, and likely does so on break if not while off the clock.

This is big news because:

A. It's fox.
B. It serves an anti-union spin.
C. It's a good "we bailed them out with tax dollars, and now look!" mentality.

Final point.

The uaw has pretty much most all of their retiree health finances riding on chrysler's turnaround and profitability. Anyone with a room tempreature iq will also realize that the uaw leadership and 99% of the rank and file are smart enough to not tolerate anything that might jepordize that goal and that making the best vehicles possible is mandatory.

Also, the uaw (like any major organization) also doesn't want the bad press.

As for the cracks about needing investigations, it's obvious that those of you saying this don't run or manage anyone, and never have.

Investigations are mandatory in all instances involving termination of any real jobs. There is this thing called "wrongful termination" suits. Even if that isn't an issue, there is the issue of contributing to paying that employee's unemployment.

I can terminate someone immediately pretty much only for gross insubordination, theft, vandalism, verbal or physical assualt. Everything else is a write up. If they come to work drunk or high, i send them home with a write up. A certain amount of write ups in a certain time then is termination. And my employees aren't union. Anything done off the clock that doesn't grossly affect job performance i generally can't touch.

For the record, i did work with union members when i was in the military, and my dad was also union.... Anyone saying that as a rule all unions and union members are lazy can go scr*w themselves.

For sure there are certain unions (san francisco's muni, for example) where work rules breed and are attractive to members who take full advantage of the system to the point of abuse. But keep in mind that the other half of the equasion is management. If you have a management with backbone, and foresight (to plan for bad times as well as good), then you'll have reasonable work rules and a workforce that is no worse than any other. If you don't, then you have the animals running the zoo.

This instance is the last examples of the results of the old uaw that finally started changing early this decade.

Originally Posted by HuJass

This has to be one of the most meaningless, BS sentence that I've read in a long time.
Where are your facts to back this up? Just what you experienced? I believe that is what is called anecdotal evidence.
And define "screw everything up".

Seems like someone is butt hurt over something.

Originally Posted by ckt101

People who know they are not doing anything wrong don't hide in parks and flee from cameras.

Originally Posted by LT1 PWRD

Everybody should stop with their holier than thou attitude and "that's our tax dolllars" crap.