UAW Members busted at lunch slamming beers, smoking weed
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Now take the mitigatory statements like "So what? It happens all the time! Ford, GM, Chrysler. This isn't news!" and apply it to ANY car that was just bought last week...or was planned to be bought today...and think of how screwed the people feel who sign(ed) the papers on one of those cars.
This activity is selling a lot of cars for Toyota, Honda, etc. People are trying to blame the newscaster. Not their fault. Not everyone should look the other way when people are doing what hurts the entire economy. Those who do are only part of the problem.
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Image how you would feel if you just bought one last week. Every time you turned the key in the ignition, you would have new doubts.
Now take the mitigatory statements like "So what? It happens all the time! Ford, GM, Chrysler. This isn't news!" and apply it to ANY car that was just bought last week...or was planned to be bought today...and think of how screwed the people feel who sign(ed) the papers on one of those cars.
Now take the mitigatory statements like "So what? It happens all the time! Ford, GM, Chrysler. This isn't news!" and apply it to ANY car that was just bought last week...or was planned to be bought today...and think of how screwed the people feel who sign(ed) the papers on one of those cars.
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To be fair to Chrysler, and they made this point very well known in their response, they (along with everyone else building a vehicle today) have very thorough quality and safety checks before each unit is able to leave the factory. Of course, depending on what these guys were actually doing on the line something could be missed. I would guess that the guy who installs the engines on the line is going to be scrutinized more than the guy who lays down the carpeting, but that's just a guess.
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Okay...the guy who puts the carpet in...you are allowed 2 spliffs and 4 beers at lunch.
Now...who is the guy who installs and connects the airbag sensors? You only get one small joint and a shot of Jack. We need to worry about quality control.
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I don't think that smoking a blunt and downing a 40 within 30 minutes will enhance your car building ability.
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I didn't say the UAW is handling this case incorrectly. I'm saying they have a reputation for not handling this sort of thing well. That's why it's relevant that it's the UAW and not just some random corporate employees anywhere else in the world.
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A good point, but I don't think there should be a matter of degree when it comes to this.
Okay...the guy who puts the carpet in...you are allowed 2 spliffs and 4 beers at lunch.
Now...who is the guy who installs and connects the airbag sensors? You only get one small joint and a shot of Jack. We need to worry about quality control.
Okay...the guy who puts the carpet in...you are allowed 2 spliffs and 4 beers at lunch.
Now...who is the guy who installs and connects the airbag sensors? You only get one small joint and a shot of Jack. We need to worry about quality control.
I know, and I completely agree with you. When it comes to this of course it has to be zero-tolerance.
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A good point, but I don't think there should be a matter of degree when it comes to this.
Okay...the guy who puts the carpet in...you are allowed 2 spliffs and 4 beers at lunch.
Now...who is the guy who installs and connects the airbag sensors? You only get one small joint and a shot of Jack. We need to worry about quality control.
Okay...the guy who puts the carpet in...you are allowed 2 spliffs and 4 beers at lunch.
Now...who is the guy who installs and connects the airbag sensors? You only get one small joint and a shot of Jack. We need to worry about quality control.
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All I read is " If If If If If If If"...........
Too many exceptions and second chances.
I work with heavy steel. 100 ton lifts out at our shop are a daily activity.
If you fail a drug test....there’s the gate....no ifs or but or anything...
You can be under the influence and be employed where I work. My Industry though, the EVIL oil industry, has no unions I’m aware of.
My Company policy reads "......the employee will be considered in this violation of this policy and will be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination of employment".
I've yet to see one employ fail and not be fired on the spot.
Safety and Quality take precedence in my industry.
Too many exceptions and second chances.
I work with heavy steel. 100 ton lifts out at our shop are a daily activity.
If you fail a drug test....there’s the gate....no ifs or but or anything...
You can be under the influence and be employed where I work. My Industry though, the EVIL oil industry, has no unions I’m aware of.
My Company policy reads "......the employee will be considered in this violation of this policy and will be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination of employment".
I've yet to see one employ fail and not be fired on the spot.
Safety and Quality take precedence in my industry.
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Union or not is not the point...if I were in the market to buy a new vehicle (which I will be in a couple of years), and someone said "these are the guys who are assembling your next car", there is absolutely no way I would buy that car knowing that they are that careless with what they are responsible for. Yes, I know it happens in every auto plant to one degree or another, plant but the American auto industry is in rough shape to begin with, no need to make import vehicles look even better.
These guys don't deserve their jobs. For each one of them, there are hundreds who would be more than willing to work in their spot, twice as hard for half the pay who won't be bombed or baked when they do it. Production value goes up, sales go up...and guess what? We are all better off. In a perfect world anyway...
These guys don't deserve their jobs. For each one of them, there are hundreds who would be more than willing to work in their spot, twice as hard for half the pay who won't be bombed or baked when they do it. Production value goes up, sales go up...and guess what? We are all better off. In a perfect world anyway...
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I'm on the Fabrication/Upstream/Installation/Service end of the industry.
I actually know very little about downstream and the refineries. I've never dealt with them.
On my end of the industry, our labor/craft is not union.
I guess I learned something today.......I'll have to go research.
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This is nothing new a few years ago some workers from a Ford plant were drinking at a local bar then cruising back to work. It's a shame that this happened especially with all the effort Chrysler has shown trying to get back in the game.
Fire these morons!
Fire these morons!