A drink. Not a 40 and a tall boy, plus a joint. Huge difference.

It was 15 that got caught, there needs to be a spotlight on this because as you said, they aren't the only ones.

This has little to do with unions. This is about people making bad decisions and working on vehicle impaired.

Good for you guys, that is in part why the Camaro is kicking ***. Can you say the same about Chrysler? Not always. There's not much wonder why, is there?

 

If I did buy a Chrysler product now in their current state, I'd say I really messed up and need my head examined. Even so, I'd most likely contact the dealership alerting them I want to return the vehicle because my confidence in the safety and reliability has now been compromised thanks to seeing who puts these vehicles together. If they wouldn't take the vehicle back, I can assure them a lawsuit of some sort would be filed.

 

If I was going back to work? Never. Even off the clock, I've worked at jobs where returning to work after a single beer during an hour lunch would get you some severe consequences.

However, nobody does investigations on anyone who's extremely tired (also dangerous on many jobs) or hyped up on caffeine, which also often makes you forgetful and not very observant. Playing devils advocate, there are plenty of guys that drink a pot of coffee every day and could surpass Michael J Fox for shakes if they missed their fix.

Seriously.

One of my bosses at one point had been an engineer in Australia (working for the same company, just a different continent) and engineers going out with their boss during lunch often split a pitcher or two of beer. Australian culture is extremely different than ours. Germany has a lot of that as well - drinking is very different there than it is here.

But back here in the US...

Microsoft has concerts on company property in the summer held on the greens (often on thursday afternoons) that are free to relax and enjoy. There are beer trucks there. People go, enjoy some music, have a beer or two, and go back to work - all without leaving company property. Some even take their laptops and sit in the shade or on a bench and do some work with their beer. If it impacts their performance though, there are consequences.
And on that point I agree. There is a difference between a 40 and a joint versus a beer. There is also a difference because of where they are working. There is the fact that in Australia having a beer with your boss at lunch is okay, where those guys were hiding in a park and covering their faces.

 

So yeah...we talked about this extensively in this week's CamaroZ28.Com Podcast, episode #264. We usually start out with Camaro news and such, but this situation was our lead topic. We tried like hell to hold back. Have a listen.

 

The reason why I think this whole thing was politically motivated is that I find it extremely unprobable that some Chrysler employees would tip off a NEWS CREW of all people.

If I was aware that such behaviour took place in MY workplace, there are 3 things I could do that would make much more sense.

- Tip off management. At different levels if needed.
- Alert Security Guards

and if that fails...
- Tip off the police since these people are obviously driving under the influence.

Whether the info initially came from a UAW member or non-union employee of Chrysler alerting a news crew of such behaviour has to be the dumbest thing they could have done considering the state of Chrysler and bitterness of the bailouts in the general public.

It would be similar to a guy working for a restaurant and telling the whole world that the kitchen is infested with cockroaches. People will stop eating there so everyone stands to lose.
Anybody with half a brain should have known the media would be all over stuff like this and even possibly stretch the truth.

It makes no sense to me.

 

I agree, but what if the "rat" felt that the management was just as useless as the drugged up workers? Hell, maybe management took part in the drinking and smoking. As far as the cops go, I don't know if they would even respond to a call like this. Again, this is just speculation, but I can see how going to the media could make sense, not that I agree with it.

 

That's the first time I've listened to one. You two sound like Fargo.

 

Everyone hates a union till it saves their ***. Not saying there is any saving to be done here. Just saying if a union saved your job, or benefits, you would likely have a different opinion.

 

Can say that I wouldn't be surprised...

 

Yep, that issue has been brought up. How do we know that these insiders hadn't tipped off upper management, and how do we know they haven't been trying for months to get something done about it through the usual channels within the union/company?

The conspiracy theories and silly "everyone does it everywhere" accusations are simply an attempt to deflect the blame away from the only party to be blamed here - these dozen or so workers.

 

That's right. People need to stop trying confuse the issue. What these guys did was wrong. That's it. The proof that even the offenders themselves know what they were doing was wrong (as mentioned above) is in how they reacted when they were confronted with it.

 

They were fired... Well, 13 out of 15 were.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news...eo_20100927_dk

 

13 out of the 15. The other two were laid off for one month without pay.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news...eo_20100927_dk

 

I wonder if they will get quietly "rehired" several months down the road or offered another position at a different plant? Still having seen all of this drinking and pot smoking I would still have no problem buying a Dodge product, a few bad workers shouldn't destroy an entire plant. Management should be shaken up though because this type of behavior was allowed to flourish and they had to of known it was happening. I've worked at jobs were this type of behavior was turned a blind eye to and I didn't stay long at them, granted they were all low paying manual labor type jobs like unloading trucks or construction where you would get a lot of people who are just trying to work enough to get their next fix, these auto workers don't fit into that category however.

 

I dunno... I had to fill out some DOT safety info, which has the DOT see fi I failed any drugtests or problems with alcohol that were work related on all my previous jobs.


Think it was called DOT safety sensitive or something. Then again I doubt it is needed for assembly line workers for automobiles, now that I think about it don't even think it was needed for aircraft assembly line workers.