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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by onebadponcho
Ford is still around. GM is still around. So is Audi. People still buy those, so while Toyota is suffering right now...
Audi's scenario was contrived, it was fake. From Wikipedia:

This decline in sales was not helped in the United States by a 60 Minutes report which showed faked footage of an Audi 5000 suffering from a supposed problem of "unintended acceleration" when the brake pedal was pushed, and emotional interviews with six people who had sued Audi after they crashed their cars. Independent investigators concluded there was no mechanical problem, and driver error, partially due to drivers not paying attention to the closer placement of the accelerator and brake pedals than some American cars. The difference was partially attributed to European driver's preferences for smoother heel-and-toe driving techniques. This did not become an issue in Europe, possibly due to more widespread experience among European drivers with manual transmissions. The report immediately crushed Audi sales, and Audi renamed the affected model (The 5000 became the 100/200 in 1989, as it was elsewhere). Audi had contemplated withdrawing from the American market until sales began to recover in the mid-1990s.
However, their sales were significantly impacted. Same with Ford's Explorer. And we'll see how Toyota pans out, as far as I'm concerned, their problem was the worst of the three, save for perhaps the Pinto issue.
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 09:25 PM
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Here is the interview with Toyota President Jim Lentz.

He had him in the corner but didn't go for the knockout!

The best Lentz says is "we are convinced and we are confident this is the problem"....shouldn't they KNOW this is the problem?

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/01/v...-on-today-sho/

Edit: at the end he does say they know what the problem is...

I can't imagine that any part of this interview makes Toyota owners feel any better about the situation.

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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 09:47 PM
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How Toyota's President Lied To Matt Lauer

This morning on The Today Show, Toyota president Jim Lentz lied twice to Matt Lauer about Toyota's 2.3-million-vehicle accelerator pedal recall.

In the one-on-one exclusive interview with Matt Lauer, Toyota's Jim Lentz faced questions about the massive recall while simultaneously attempting to reassure customers.

But, as you can see in the video below, Lauer initially asks Lentz when the company knew about issues with "unwanted acceleration." The response? Let's charitably call it misleading:

LAUER: When did your company know, when did you personally know and other officials at your company know you had a serious problem with unwanted acceleration or slow response from acceleration?

LENTZ: In the case of the slow response, this most recent one, the first technical report that we had that we could duplicate the issue was in late October of last year.

Yeah, that's just wrong. According to the Defect Information Report filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) on January 21, 2010 (it can be seen in the gallery below), Toyota received complaints about this issue as far back as March 2007 and were able to duplicate a pedal "slow to return to the idle position" as far back as June 2008, which caused them to change the material they used to make the equipment. However, for some reason, Toyota didn't see this as a safety issue but just a "drivability issue."

Where the big lie occurs is in Lentz's response to Lauer about this very issue. Lauer referenced the Tundra problem above and asked whether or not the original 2007 problem was related to sticking pedals:

LAUER: So in the letter you wrote, or your company wrote, to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration saying that they knew as of 2007 that there were some issues with Tundra trucks, was that the entrapment issue or was that unwanted acceleration because of a sticking pedal.

LENTZ: That was not sticking pedals, the initial concerns were over entrapment and we concentrated on mats and now we have reshaped the pedals on those vehicles to reduce the risk of that happening.

Uh, yeah. Then what the hell is this:

Toyota Defect Information Report; January 21, 2010
Starting in March 2007, Toyota received field technical information regarding reports of accelerator pedals demonstrating symptoms such as rough operation or being slow to return to the idle position. These reports were limited to one model (Tundra), and the accelerator pedal assemblies in those vehicles contained a friction lever made of the PA46 material. Toyota's investigation found that the PA46 material was susceptible to humidity, which could cause the friction lever to absorb moisture and swell.
Environmental testing was conducted in order to understand the full impact of the swelling of the friction lever due to humidity. In February 2008, the material of the friction arm was changed to PPS while investigations continued. In June 2008, Toyota concluded that while accelerator pedal feeling could change under certain conditions, Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety.

While the Tundra is also included in the floor mat recall, Toyota's own records indicate there was concern about the accelerator pedal in 2008 as well and to say otherwise is either an admission that he, too, is confused by what's really at fault here or he's attempting to mince words to make it appear this is a sudden issue for them and not something they've been investigating since 2007.
http://jalopnik.com/5461734/how-toyo...-to-matt-lauer
Old Feb 2, 2010 | 10:36 AM
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Steve Wozniak on his Prius' acceleration problem

Wozniak cites 'scary' Prius acceleration problem:

from http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10445564-64.html

"I don't get upset and teed off at things in life, except computers that don't work right," was his segue into the Toyota comments. Then he said he had been trying to get through to Toyota and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) for three months but could not get anyone to explore an alleged software-related acceleration problem--as described below.

"Toyota has this accelerator problem we've all heard about," Wozniak said. "Well, I have many models of Prius that got recalled, but I have a new model that didn't get recalled. This new model has an accelerator that goes wild but only under certain conditions of cruise control. And I can repeat it over and over and over again--safely."

"This is software. It's not a bad accelerator pedal. It's very scary, but luckily for me I can hit the brakes," he said.

Toyota said it investigates all complaints. "We're in the business of investigating complaints, assessing problems and finding remedies," said John Hanson, national manager environmental safety and quality communications at Toyota. "After man years of exhaustive testing we have not found any evidence of an electronic [software] problem that would have led to unwanted acceleration."
I love Toyota's PR! What he meant to say was that Toyota has not found the cause of this. Evidence of it, though, prevails.
Old Feb 3, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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FWIW, The Dept of Transportation is telling owners of the affected Toyota vehicles to stop drivign the vehicles immediately.... contradictory to what Toyota has told their owners.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100203/..._toyota_recall
Old Feb 3, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
FWIW, The Dept of Transportation is telling owners of the affected Toyota vehicles to stop drivign the vehicles immediately.... contradictory to what Toyota has told their owners.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100203/..._toyota_recall
It says in the first sentence that Mr. LaHood of the DOT retracted that statement.
So the Prius also has problematic brakes in conjuction with the sudden acceleration problem? Hmmm.....that can't be good.
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