I wasn't really trying to pin down any of the varied reasons why Camaro ultimately failed in the marketplace. That has been dealt with extensively over the past 2+ years. I merely wanted to chime in on the notion that a GTO-sized Camaro is somehow a bad thing and that the status quo with what makes a Camaro a Camaro needs to be re-examined. That my point came across as so narrowly defined was not my intention.

 

Fiero is not a pony car since it is only a 2-seater. Part of the pony car formula is 2+2 seating.

 

Fair enough... what does it qualify as then, though?

 

That is fair too.

I just fear that more than a few people are hoping for a Civic-sized Camaro... and I just don't get that at all.

 

Who has ever advocated a Civic sized Camaro?



If a Kappa derivitive is used....it will require a major tear up in front and in back. The result should be ponycar sized...not Civic sized.

 

Have any more details about the Torana surfaced? That may help clear a little of this up. How long until Sydney?

 

2 weeks I think

 

OK, i am totally lost!!

is this supposed to be the new basis for the next GTO, or what??

 

With the way this Kappa Camaro idea is going, its deffinatly going to be the size of the G35 or 350Z. IMO...not the best idea.
Like someone said before...the idea of what a Camaro is, needs to be redefined and set up. The basic DNA must stay, but its size and lay out needs to be rethought and be brought into modern times.

 

Regarding the Kappa Camaro idea. We can discuss this out the yingyang but confusion is starting to creep into this thread. Please remember that a couple of posts back, Guoin reiterated that Kappa is not being looked at as the basis for the Chevrolet Performance Coupe or as we like to think of it - Camaro; that Zeta is/was the platform for that vehicle. We haven't heard anything "official" (what's that?:-) to contradict that.

 

Well, "officially", there is no Camaro. In fact, officially there isn't even a Chevy Coupe which isn't even called Camaro.

As far as this Kappa thing...there are some real rumblings. But as has already been reported..."it will be very loosely based on Kappa".

The issue with Zeta is..it's a large car architecture. Camaro needs a medium car architecture. Bob Lutz thinks it's good idea to create a new medium RWD architecture. Without a high volume Chevy, the Wilmington plant will be at 20-25% capacity. We're just connecting the dots.

Sydney can't come fast enough for me. We'll have huge pieces of the puzzle then.

 

Yes, I know that there is officially no Camaro program. But I don't recall hearing anything outside of this thread that Kappa - LWB or not, is a possible basis for the Chevrolet Performance Coupe - outside of a blurb in Popular Mechanics that said Chevrolet was possibly getting a version of the Solstice.

Everything I can recall seeing both here and on C&G suggests that Zeta is the platform for the coupe in question. There have been postings to the effect that Zeta is a flexible platform supporting multiple wheelbase configurations - ie. both large and intermediate car classes. Since Zeta is the successor to the Holden VY chassis than it is probably safe to assume that future iterations of the Commodore, Statesman, GTO et all will continue without significant changes ie. both short (intermediate) and long wheelbase options. The current GTO is already ponycar sized so whether or not Camaro is built on Zeta, as is likely with the GTO, an appropriate wheelbase/platform will essentially exist, will it not? Even if the GTO grows somewhat when it migrates to Zeta, I can't see it becoming a fullsize car.

After reading this thread I'm neither opposed to a Kappa based Camaro nor am I looking for an argument with anyone. The Kappa platform certainly sounds as if it could give rise to some seriously sporty cars. I do agree that the platform needs a high volume Chevy variant in order to really be viable. I am just a little concerned that the supposed debut of a possible Camaro rumored to be around '07 is pushed off even further because the possible car is shuffled from one platform to another when there is some evidence to suggest that development (on Zeta?) is already under way. I realize that there is a lot of if's here but... I hope you see my point.

 

Then what do you call GMX284? The program is a Chevy coupe and the leading cantidate is Camaro. The name won't be stuck on till it gets unveiled, but the Camaro is coming...and what a ride it will be.

Red I know you are reading this and I can't wait to read your book.

 

That is correct. Until now.


Maybe it's not as flexible as advertised.

That is a valid concern. But I don't think that will end up being the case.

 

GMX284 is an internal code. There has been no "official" announcement however.