Take a look at some of the numeros threads were we compared the 4th gens overall length to the GTO, 05 Mustang, Buick Velite, and even the H2. Its longer then all 4 of thoes cars.

And I guess it will be kappa. The first article said that Holden would be making this midsized RWD chassis. The later one says that Holden is booked trying to get Zeta ready.

 

I can't seem to find it right now....does anyone have the dimensions of a HF V6 vs a Gen III/IV smallblock? Specifically, their external lengths.

 

The Camaro replacement (or the Chevy performance coupe) will be based on the Zeta chassis.
The Camaro replacement (or the Chevy performance coupe) will not be based on Kappa.
That's the plan.

With that said, and speculation mode on high, I can see how GM might decide at this 11th hour and 50 minutes into the development of the performance coupe (which will have much in common with the next GTO) GM changinging their play, naming the performance coupe something else, and doing a re-body of a Saturn Curve, complete with a V8 and naming that Camaro instead.

There have been some changes with Kappa over the year.

BTW: The Torrana is ZETA based, not Kappa.

Holden was part of a corperate wide competition for a new mid-sized RWD car. The Holden didn't win, but the design just may well end up on the proposal that did.

Speculative Conclusion:
This mid-sized car won't be based on Zeta (Holden's proposal lost), but will be based on Kappa (GM-NA's propasal won). However, you can take a car's design proposal and put it on any chassis of similar size with alterations.

What it all means:
The so-called "Torrana" is your 1st look at GM's future mid-sized RWD cars due late this decade.

 

I hope everyone is paying attention.

 

your ignorance is staggering.

well, it's definitely WAY too big for its wheelbase.

i don't understand why people are actually advocating longer overhangs. yes, the LENGTH of the car is what's used to define it's class or "bigness" not the wheelbase. but if the 4th gen had proper overhangs, like the cars with similar wheelbase do, it would be the length of a compact. but since it is the way it is, HUGE, it skips past the mid-sized category and nudges into the full-size. that is horrible for pretty much everything including handling, drivability (the approach angle is like 5 degrees!), interior space, weight, etc.

i mean, i'm not too sad about it being canned. if the 5th gen were to be based on this same 1960's chassis, i wouldn't even look at it. hopefully the 5th gen can be a fully modern car. The GTO is a perfect example of one. It just needs to be styled properly and it's chassis lowered maybe an inch to look like a Camaro and it would be nearly perfect.

 

Oh, I agree... I've said time & again that I think proportions are more important than overall size.

Yes, the overhangs were huge in modern terms on the 4th Gen.

But, you can also extend the wheelbase rather than focusing solely chopping off the overhangs and keeping the same size wheelbase.

 

Since you are obviously the smartest person in the world, explain my ignorance to me.
I don't think anyone was asking for overhangs as long as the 4th gen. on the next Camaro. I was refering to people saying the Kappas overall length was too short for a Camaro, which it is. If you take the chassis of a LWB Kappa and put a Camaro style body on it, it will have more overhang than the Curve does. Is that a little more clear for you?

 

I wonder when GM came round and gave Holden the Kappa platform, they have been asking for it for a long time. Which is why the went in partnership with elfin to build that roadster last year.

 

Lots of speculation here...but here's one fact.

No matter what you've heard about Kappa being profitable at low volume........Kappa needs a high volume Chevy product to make it viable.

 

I still believe they can achieve this with the Nomad. I see tons of PT Cruisers on a daily basis, many of which are new and/or customized. The retro craze isn't dead yet... at least not on the west coast.

 

The Kappa Nomad is all but dead. As far as retro goes....GM hopes to move 100,000 HHR's annually.

 

All but dead, or nothing but dead?

 

The Kappa "medium" based Torana PS's have already begun in Australia.

http://69.56.135.118/~hrt433/images/pscomp4.jpg

 

That's a nice looking car, I'd love to see more shots/profiles of it. Looks like it's approx Ion/Cobalt sized for cabin space - which wouldnt be too bad!

 

Looks about the same size as the Cobalt. Hmmmm.