If Torana is Zeta based, it means that Torana is Zeta-light, so to speak. And I thought the rumormill killed any smaller derivatives of Zeta?

The article also makes mention of Holden re-engineering Kappa to fit V6.

Can you just clarify what's what?

 

Here's another one..


http://69.56.135.118/~hrt433/vy/images/slr6200.jpg

By it's nomenclature...I assume this one has a 6.2L V8.

 

Are those actual pictures? They lot a little like a chop.

 

These are not actual pictures of the torana. They are chops. Here is a link to the guys site: http://69.56.135.118/~hrt433/creationsgallery.htm

They do look good, too bad they aren't real.

 

That green house looks WAY too big. And it just looks like a Monaro? I think that with Zeta/VE, that Holden will get away from its present style and maybe go with something a bit more modern with some sharper lines.

 

Agreed. At least let's hope so.

 

Update:

I was wrong about the car next month at the Sydney show being on Zeta. Holden's initial proposal for GM's internal contest was in fact Zeta based. However, Holden lost, and the "Torana" moved onwards to it's "next phase" which will be on display next month in Sydney.

Also, the car is a SEDAN, not a coupe.

BTW, read this as you want:
*The Ste. Therese plant had a capacity of over 180,000 cars per year. Overcapacity was one big reason the F-body (running about 70,000 per year when it's termination was announced) was killed.
*GM stopped making Saturn Ls at the Wilmington Deleware plant a year early. The plant has a capacity of over 200,000 cars per pear, & Saturn was making 65,000 Ls last year.
*The Solstice & Lightning combined is good for about 35,000 cars per year...tops.
Seems like GM would have something(s) with more volume planned for that plant, doesn't it?

 

Isn't there also a SAAB varient planned?

So...is the Torana still sitting on the chassis of the future "performance coupe" from chevy we are all waiting for? That would help add needed volume to the plant.

 

The L was cut because they were losing a lot of money. With the Kappa's, they can make the car at low levels, and still make money.

 

They've been saying that from the beginning.

But I can't imagine GM purposely refitting an assembly plant to run at 20% capacity.

Let me say this once more for those who missed it: Kappa NEEDS a high volume Chevy. One that sells 100,000-120,000 units per year.

Extrapolate what you will from that.

 

Another Kappa based Torana PS:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...92_92_full.jpg

 

you just keep contredicting yourself for one. you say nobody's asking for big overhangs in one sentance then go on to say that to make a Kappa based Camaro "pony sized" it would HAVE to have big overhangs if put on a Kappa. yet if such a thing existed you'd be behind it since you're obviously advocating it here.

secondly, do you realise how pointless what you're saying is? you're essentially saying this: lets choose a compact platform for it's many advantages due to relative light weight, etc. but because it's too short for our target car we have to lengthen the wheel base first. THEN, after it's still too short/small we do the most backward thing imaginable and extend the car's body further outside the wheelbase just to meet our target size for the sake of meeting the target size and nothing else. what's the point? besides the trunk there's absolutely ZERO usable space outside of the wheelbase. on top of that, if you're thinking a V8 will fit the Keppa with a lengthened front end, it COULD possibly fit physically after numerous structural reinforcements, but most of the engine would be on the outside of the wheelbase (again) making for a horribly front heavy car that will have a tendency to plow through everything.

so lets recount. take a lightweight, compact platform, spend time/money to make it bigger, much heavier, have inefficient use of space, have poor weight destribution/handling characteristics. yeah, sounds like a perfect 5th gen to me.

 

Before you try to criticize someone, you should make sure what you are saying is correct.
First, I never said a Kappa based Camaro would HAVE to have big overhangs. When compared to the Curve, which is a LWB Kappa at 107 inches, a Kappa Camaro would have more overhang simply because the Curve had almost none. I DID NOT NOR AM I saying a Kappa Camaro should have big overhangs.

Second, I was not talking about making the wheelbase on the Kappa any longer than it already is. I talked about using the LWB Kappa chassis seen on the Curve and Nomad, which as seen above, is 107 inches. So, I was never suggesting to spend time and money to make any platform bigger or heavier. Since you failed to comprehend the numbers comparision I put on page 3, I'll explain it to you. The chassis we have already seen, Curve and Nomad, has a 107 Inch wheelbase. Compared to a 4th gen, which has a 101 inch wheelbase, the LWB Kappa is more than long enough. Now, we will compare the LWB Kappa to other cars. First the original Camaro (which the new Camaro is supposed to draw heavily from). The wheelbase on the first two generations is 108 inches, very close to the LWB Kappa. The first gen didn't have big overhangs, the 4th gen had huge overhangs(remember that). The 05 Mustang is much closer in wheelbase to the LWB Kappa at 107.1 inches. We all know what the Mustang looks like. It doesn't have big overhangs and the overall length is not huge like the 4th gen Camaro. Almost half of the length of the 4th gen. was overhang, which is too much and I am not in favor of. So, what have we seen here? The LWB Kappa (107") is the right size for a Pony car. Is that plain enough for you?

Now, look at the engine bay of the Kappa. It said in the article that a V6 is going to be in the Torana, which is Kappa based (I'm betting its chassis is a LWB Kappa just like the Curve and Nomad, just with a sedan body). The other Kappas had ecotecs in them. That is four cylinders in a row. A V8 will not be that much longer than a ecotec. So, there goes your thought that a V8 will extend so much further, that it will throw off the balance of the car. Do you know where the extra length was added to the Kappa platform (think Solstice vs. Curve) to make it a 2+2 seater (LWB)? It was in the back half of the car. That's right. There is more weight in the back of a LWB Kappa which will help balance the extra weight from a V6 or V8 in front. So a V6 or V8 LWB Kappa will not have poor weight destribution or handling characteristics. That is simple physics.

So, what type of pony car would a LWB Kappa make? A great one. The wheelbase is the right size for a pony car, without being lengthened. This Camaro would not have big overhangs, like the 4th gen, but they would be bigger than the Curve. With a V8, this pony car would still be very well balanced and have great handling characteristics. It would also not be a heavy car.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never contradicted myself. Try using some basic reading comprehension before you say I'm contradicting myself.

 

i'm right, you're wrong. it's that simple.

 

Please, I have proven everything you said about me wrong. Accept your defeat like an adult or go lurk somewhere else. This goes back to that reading comprehension thing I mentioned before, look into it.