This thing will eat LS1 Camaros & nearly run with Corvettes (for 30 Grand!)
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Mr Chadwick, I think your arguements are valid. However I should ask what does a stock EVO 8 or WRX or the DSM's 60ft?
My car is able to 60ft at decent tracks 2.0 or better, 1.9's at good tracks. Not too bad for stock tires.
In the runs I've had on the street or track against DSM's or WRX's yea they get me by a bit out of the hole. But its not like I'm getting walked by 5 carlenghts. My car launches fairly well and you know right away if your going to reel the import in or not because by the 4000 rpm mark is hit in first gear your either pulling or not. By the top of second you've either lost or walking them. My car runs 12's on the street or track I have nothing to prove its a loaded slushbox Z28 with no weight removed and under $200 in mods, mostly used. I don't cry if I loose and don't boast when I win.
Lots of street races also go from a roll and there the advantage of AWD is nill. Unless your car is so powerful that you fry the tires on a 40 roll.
I also get into lots of races where I leave slow then they speed up then I do then they do and before you know it we're both floored and goin at it. Again easy on the rwd cars.
My car is able to 60ft at decent tracks 2.0 or better, 1.9's at good tracks. Not too bad for stock tires.
In the runs I've had on the street or track against DSM's or WRX's yea they get me by a bit out of the hole. But its not like I'm getting walked by 5 carlenghts. My car launches fairly well and you know right away if your going to reel the import in or not because by the 4000 rpm mark is hit in first gear your either pulling or not. By the top of second you've either lost or walking them. My car runs 12's on the street or track I have nothing to prove its a loaded slushbox Z28 with no weight removed and under $200 in mods, mostly used. I don't cry if I loose and don't boast when I win.
Lots of street races also go from a roll and there the advantage of AWD is nill. Unless your car is so powerful that you fry the tires on a 40 roll.
I also get into lots of races where I leave slow then they speed up then I do then they do and before you know it we're both floored and goin at it. Again easy on the rwd cars.
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From: Raleigh, NC
Why is everyone comparing et.'s? This car is in no way meant to be a drag car. Its an all around sports sedan. It accelerates, turns and brakes as a complete package. It also does it much better than the competition minus the Subaru STI which we havent seen official US numbers for yet.
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From: Lilburn, GA, USA
Yeah, I have had at least twice as many races from a roll than from a stand still. If you get any of these awd cars from a roll, they are screwed since they rely so much on launches(provided it is not an awd car that is dramatically faster). You can just avoid that but then it's kinda like how ricers never want to race "a V8" from a stop because of the torque disadvantage, always off the role. I personally like to race from a stand still because that is the most fair but I also never stop before 100 mph unless I am mauling the other car that bad. No one respects a person who just gets a good launch and then stops because they are ahead at that moment. My point is, pretty much all races are won because of top end and the car that has better mph will win. This is especially tue when comparing the Evo vs an LS1 Camaro.
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I don't care if it does 0-60 in 3 seconds and costs $500!!!! IT is a friggin ricer!!! It looks like a bitch car and it will only be driven by men with small :-->'s!!!!!!! It doesn't look good, its small and cramped, and it sounds like a frigign turbo charged lawnmower. Man, that sure is cool. What an awesome car. I bet I will be tough if I drove one. GImme a break.
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From: Raleigh, NC
Originally posted by 96Z28man
I don't care if it does 0-60 in 3 seconds and costs $500!!!! IT is a friggin ricer!!! It looks like a bitch car and it will only be driven by men with small :-->'s!!!!!!! It doesn't look good, its small and cramped, and it sounds like a frigign turbo charged lawnmower. Man, that sure is cool. What an awesome car. I bet I will be tough if I drove one. GImme a break.
I don't care if it does 0-60 in 3 seconds and costs $500!!!! IT is a friggin ricer!!! It looks like a bitch car and it will only be driven by men with small :-->'s!!!!!!! It doesn't look good, its small and cramped, and it sounds like a frigign turbo charged lawnmower. Man, that sure is cool. What an awesome car. I bet I will be tough if I drove one. GImme a break.
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From: MI
As 96Z28man said in harsher terms, everybody seems to think that a quarter-mile time is the only way to see if a car is superior to another.
Who cares that some ricer car can do 13.8? I could stuff a high po motor into a little pink Dodge Neon and make it faster than my SS. Would I look cool doing it? No. I can make my little Neon go into the 12's, but I'd still look like a goof.
Who cares that some ricer car can do 13.8? I could stuff a high po motor into a little pink Dodge Neon and make it faster than my SS. Would I look cool doing it? No. I can make my little Neon go into the 12's, but I'd still look like a goof.
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isnt all this talk about "well mine looks better so it doesnt matter if he is faster" kinda a ricer mentality? maybe its ugly... but it sure as hell doesnt excuse the fact your slower.i understand its not all speed that people want and would rather have a nice looking car. but dont use the way your car looks as a defence to a performance oriented subject....just my opinion........later
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From: Arkansas
Re: So what....??
Originally posted by Doug Harden
....Put me in the catagory of Who gives a rat's @$$
Dang dude.... I could stuff a big block in a Chevette and be fast, but I sure as heck wouldn't be seen driving it around town.
Alamo rented me a Lancer POS in Vegas last year and I wore dark glasses so people wouldn't laugh at me.....
I personally couldn't care less what kind of ugly danged econo-box they stuff a motor into and call it "performance".....you'll never see me driving one!
Mitsubishi Lancer or Subaru WRX my @$$!
....Put me in the catagory of Who gives a rat's @$$
Dang dude.... I could stuff a big block in a Chevette and be fast, but I sure as heck wouldn't be seen driving it around town.
Alamo rented me a Lancer POS in Vegas last year and I wore dark glasses so people wouldn't laugh at me.....
I personally couldn't care less what kind of ugly danged econo-box they stuff a motor into and call it "performance".....you'll never see me driving one!
Mitsubishi Lancer or Subaru WRX my @$$!
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From: Halifax, Nova Scotia
guionM .... I got ya ....
I think I figured you out.
First, I read through this ...
Eventually hoping to get to some "guionMisms" ....
But found nothing ....
I know what your doing .... lurking out there ... reading these posts with a grin. (or should that be a grinM)
Bored are we?
Good way to wake the guys up!
Thanks
Ted 99 TA WS6 Conv
I think I figured you out.
First, I read through this ...
Eventually hoping to get to some "guionMisms" ....
But found nothing ....
I know what your doing .... lurking out there ... reading these posts with a grin. (or should that be a grinM)
Bored are we?
Good way to wake the guys up!
Thanks
Ted 99 TA WS6 Conv
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From: Inland Empire, CA
I'd be more concerned about this one, myself:
http://impreza.subaru.com/microsites...sti/wrxsti.jsp
http://www.subaru.net/usproduct/2004/Stiinitspec.asp
Also, I just hung my head in shame at the "WHO CARES IF IT'S FAST, IT LOOKS RICE SO IT SUCKS LOOKS ARE ALL THAT MATTERS THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT A CAMARO RS IT LOOKS WAY BETTER THAN THE Z28" guy up there. 96z28man, you're an embarassment to us all.
http://impreza.subaru.com/microsites...sti/wrxsti.jsp
http://www.subaru.net/usproduct/2004/Stiinitspec.asp
MECHANICAL
300-horsepower @ 6,000 rpm, 300 lb.-ft. of torque @ 4,000 rpm
2.5-liter intercooled and turbocharged 4-cylinder boxer engine with Active Valve Control System (AVCS)
Full-time All-Wheel Drive (AWD) with Driver Controlled Center Differential (DCCD)
Mechanical limited-slip rear differential
Suretrac viscous limited slip front differential
4-wheel fully independent sport-tuned suspension with inverted struts
6-speed manual transmission with short-throw shifter
300-horsepower @ 6,000 rpm, 300 lb.-ft. of torque @ 4,000 rpm
2.5-liter intercooled and turbocharged 4-cylinder boxer engine with Active Valve Control System (AVCS)
Full-time All-Wheel Drive (AWD) with Driver Controlled Center Differential (DCCD)
Mechanical limited-slip rear differential
Suretrac viscous limited slip front differential
4-wheel fully independent sport-tuned suspension with inverted struts
6-speed manual transmission with short-throw shifter
Last edited by MunchE; Feb 10, 2003 at 04:25 PM.
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From: Oakland, California
Somehow I got on a mailing list and was sent a link when Mitsu unveiled this bad boy for the first time. They're catering everying towards the street-racing/ricer crowd; even coming up with a special development/street-racing products resale dept; and furnishing (ed) all the cars for the Lame & the Frivolous II (er I mean The Fast & The Furious II)...
Just think... a factory ricer complete with carbon-fiber components!
Who cares if its fast? It's still rice!
Just think... a factory ricer complete with carbon-fiber components!
Who cares if its fast? It's still rice!
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From: All around
I dont have any suspension work, and my BFG tires are at like 5/32 of tread... and if I drop to 2nd or 3rd at 40mph or under and punch it, I'll burn the whole way through the gear. Need more traction
. If a DSM is coasting at 30mph, puts the lever into 2nd, revs it and drops the clutch, it'll still launch it a bit. The AWD starts to suck past 40mph, and you can see that the weight/driveline losses are having an effect. I noticed that when running GST's from a 5mph roll and not trying to launch.
And about the comment of "only men with small peckers drive those cars" that sounds like a man with ***** envy. Dont make a fool of us all. I respect any car that is fast as long as it's not a stupid price or un-reliable. And the 4g63 has proven it's worth as a cost effective and reliable motor.
That's right, usually by then end of 2nd from a stop you have a good idea if you'll win, usually. I usually am running through 3rd though, but last time I raced I was still neck and neck with the competition and short a few mods with no traction. Once I can get this power to the ground it'll be another story.
And one more note - a ls1 MAY be faster then a Evo 8 stock at sea level, but what about in Colorado, when boosted cars have a nice advantage then??
. If a DSM is coasting at 30mph, puts the lever into 2nd, revs it and drops the clutch, it'll still launch it a bit. The AWD starts to suck past 40mph, and you can see that the weight/driveline losses are having an effect. I noticed that when running GST's from a 5mph roll and not trying to launch.And about the comment of "only men with small peckers drive those cars" that sounds like a man with ***** envy. Dont make a fool of us all. I respect any car that is fast as long as it's not a stupid price or un-reliable. And the 4g63 has proven it's worth as a cost effective and reliable motor.
That's right, usually by then end of 2nd from a stop you have a good idea if you'll win, usually. I usually am running through 3rd though, but last time I raced I was still neck and neck with the competition and short a few mods with no traction. Once I can get this power to the ground it'll be another story.
And one more note - a ls1 MAY be faster then a Evo 8 stock at sea level, but what about in Colorado, when boosted cars have a nice advantage then??
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4g63 times: (cars are listed with major mods)
13.201@104.7mph 1.89 60'
99GSX awd
Mutt Level 1 turbo at 22psi, intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
13.32@102MPH 1.88 60'
1990 TSI AWD
Small 16G 19psi, intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
12.7@105
1997 Tsi Awd
Forced Performance T28/28
FMIC/intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
London Dragway @ sea level
11.93@117.37mph 1.79 60'
90 GSX
small 16g internal gate
intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
track: Rockingham, N.C.
(no tach,=not a great 60' and misshifted 3rd badly)
12.51@116 mph 1.9 60'
91 Tsi awd
Buschur Racing Br-57 @19 lbs of boost
intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
Maple Grove @ 550ft above
11.38@125.90
95 Talon AWD
Full weight, 2.3L Stroker,cams,sheetmetal intake,fuel,tune
Buschur BR-57 turbo.
12.509 @ 113.7MPH
98 GSX:
Small 16G @22psi -Small FMIC,fuel/exhaust
Rockingham Dragway
11.74@121.5mph
93 TSI AWD
FP green turbo @1.8-1.9 bar
FMIC,CAMS,intake/exhaust
3600 ft at Roswell NM
1991 GSX
14.10@94.78
Big 16G @ 12PSI
93 octane
Stock Exhaust-stock fuel-Full Street Weight-Spare Tire
800' Track Elevation
11.1@130
92 Talon AWD
Forced Performance "street" Red label
Full weight street car
FMIC/intake/cams
12.02 @ 117.8 mph
92 GSX
20G,full interior, FMIC,exhaust
12.481 @ 107.649
99 GSX @20psi on 91 octane
Small 16g - ported/no clip
cams,exhaust
13.282 @ 101.39mph, 60ft 1.742
93TSI AWD
Stock turbo @17psi
clutch,exhaust,intercooler pipe(but not new intercooler)
12.543@109.23 1.726 60-ft 20psi
Best mph 111.4mph
1997 Eclipse GSX (AWD)
Small 16g,FMIC,fuel,exhaust
99 GSX AWD
1.79 60, 7.6@94.5, 11.794@119.98, 20psi, 93octane
1.99 60, 7.9@97, 12.01@122.6, 22psi, 93octane
FP Green Turbo, 8cm version
FMIC,Cams,clutch,exhaust,intake
93octane, 420whp, 370torque
Englishtown, NJ
Not AMAZING, but not bad considering none have listed drag radials or slicks. Infact, very few could use them considering most tracks do not have a burnout box that will work with AWD.
Like 10 pages of 1/4 mile times from dsmtalk.com
13.201@104.7mph 1.89 60'
99GSX awd
Mutt Level 1 turbo at 22psi, intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
13.32@102MPH 1.88 60'
1990 TSI AWD
Small 16G 19psi, intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
12.7@105
1997 Tsi Awd
Forced Performance T28/28
FMIC/intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
London Dragway @ sea level
11.93@117.37mph 1.79 60'
90 GSX
small 16g internal gate
intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
track: Rockingham, N.C.
(no tach,=not a great 60' and misshifted 3rd badly)
12.51@116 mph 1.9 60'
91 Tsi awd
Buschur Racing Br-57 @19 lbs of boost
intake/exhaust/fuel/tune
Maple Grove @ 550ft above
11.38@125.90
95 Talon AWD
Full weight, 2.3L Stroker,cams,sheetmetal intake,fuel,tune
Buschur BR-57 turbo.
12.509 @ 113.7MPH
98 GSX:
Small 16G @22psi -Small FMIC,fuel/exhaust
Rockingham Dragway
11.74@121.5mph
93 TSI AWD
FP green turbo @1.8-1.9 bar
FMIC,CAMS,intake/exhaust
3600 ft at Roswell NM
1991 GSX
14.10@94.78
Big 16G @ 12PSI
93 octane
Stock Exhaust-stock fuel-Full Street Weight-Spare Tire
800' Track Elevation
11.1@130
92 Talon AWD
Forced Performance "street" Red label
Full weight street car
FMIC/intake/cams
12.02 @ 117.8 mph
92 GSX
20G,full interior, FMIC,exhaust
12.481 @ 107.649
99 GSX @20psi on 91 octane
Small 16g - ported/no clip
cams,exhaust
13.282 @ 101.39mph, 60ft 1.742
93TSI AWD
Stock turbo @17psi
clutch,exhaust,intercooler pipe(but not new intercooler)
12.543@109.23 1.726 60-ft 20psi
Best mph 111.4mph
1997 Eclipse GSX (AWD)
Small 16g,FMIC,fuel,exhaust
99 GSX AWD
1.79 60, 7.6@94.5, 11.794@119.98, 20psi, 93octane
1.99 60, 7.9@97, 12.01@122.6, 22psi, 93octane
FP Green Turbo, 8cm version
FMIC,Cams,clutch,exhaust,intake
93octane, 420whp, 370torque
Englishtown, NJ
Not AMAZING, but not bad considering none have listed drag radials or slicks. Infact, very few could use them considering most tracks do not have a burnout box that will work with AWD.
Like 10 pages of 1/4 mile times from dsmtalk.com