This thing will eat LS1 Camaros & nearly run with Corvettes (for 30 Grand!)
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You know, one of the main reasons I got my first Camaro was "Bang for the Buck". Well, I'm now realizing that's not the only reason. I really liked the first WRX's styling wise and respected their affordability for decent performance. But, recently, styling has taken a down turn. I'm only 26, but I'm starting to think that my tastes are already out of date. All of a sudden garish and tacky is all the rage.
Now, from what I've read we're comparing it to an SS or WS6? How about a $25,000 well equiped Z28? That's 5 grand less...
I'd like to like this car, but the styling makes me want to hurl.
I give it an:
A- performance
B- Bang for the buck
F Styling
Now, from what I've read we're comparing it to an SS or WS6? How about a $25,000 well equiped Z28? That's 5 grand less...
I'd like to like this car, but the styling makes me want to hurl.
I give it an:
A- performance
B- Bang for the buck
F Styling
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Who the heck said this thing will EAT LS1 CAMARO's? All the reports I have seen say upper 13's to low 14's at 99-101 mph. Very impressive yes but no whare close to any LS1 Camaro I have had. Mustang GT's may have something to fear. Let me remind you we have had the WRX running like that for a few years and believe me they are quick but nothing to worry about. I'll be honest and say yes the Lancer or WRX make a good fight 0-60, I still like my chances but whatever. After 60 all over they don't have the upper end power to run and hide. I speak from experience on this. ANy car getting to 60 in under 5sec and then finished the 1/4 in only 13.8 @99-100 is quick by way of launch and nothing else.
Let me say this there is only two ways to compare car performance. Stock vs. Stock, and modded vs modded, run whatcha brung!. Stock vs. Stock LS1 wins all day modded vs. modded well that depends on the mods but I like the LS1 aftermarket potential!
My car was $23.5K out the door, performance in sig. When a stock EVO VIII or WRX runs like that you let me know, Case Closed!
Let me say this there is only two ways to compare car performance. Stock vs. Stock, and modded vs modded, run whatcha brung!. Stock vs. Stock LS1 wins all day modded vs. modded well that depends on the mods but I like the LS1 aftermarket potential!
My car was $23.5K out the door, performance in sig. When a stock EVO VIII or WRX runs like that you let me know, Case Closed!
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12.96 with mods - which is very nice, but there are GSX's and such that would run lower times with lower ET's then you with an even cheaper car and as much $$ or less in mods. They arent running 20psi of boost under that EVO hood yet, and the aftermarket is HUGE. The GSX's we know and love since 1990 are still running the SAME motor. The 4g63 has been around for 13 years now!
A Stock 200hp GSX with a Big16G, intake,exhaust, intercooler, fuel mods,tuning, clutch (under $4000) will now be hitting 350hp and still have the AWD launch, while netting ls1 trap speeds -- and be very fast in the 1/4. I have owned these cars and know they are fast buggers. For $35000, the EVO is a bit heavy and costly, but if you ever take your LS1 and run a modded one, you will be sorry. GSX/AWD/EVO's with the 4g63 break into the 12's without many problems, even into the 11's. It's just hard to get to 10's, and rediculously hard to get to 10.00...
Dont underestimate these cars, on the street they WILL maul an ls1. Think about it. On the street, you cannot launch your ls1 very well, but they can launch that thing at 5000-6000 every time... On the track? Sure. On the track an Ls1 is better off, but on the street, EVO's have the advantage. And top end? How often do you run past 130-140mph??? Comon. Dont get cocky - the ls1 is a great motor, but this thing is potent, and not to be underestimated.
A Stock 200hp GSX with a Big16G, intake,exhaust, intercooler, fuel mods,tuning, clutch (under $4000) will now be hitting 350hp and still have the AWD launch, while netting ls1 trap speeds -- and be very fast in the 1/4. I have owned these cars and know they are fast buggers. For $35000, the EVO is a bit heavy and costly, but if you ever take your LS1 and run a modded one, you will be sorry. GSX/AWD/EVO's with the 4g63 break into the 12's without many problems, even into the 11's. It's just hard to get to 10's, and rediculously hard to get to 10.00...
Dont underestimate these cars, on the street they WILL maul an ls1. Think about it. On the street, you cannot launch your ls1 very well, but they can launch that thing at 5000-6000 every time... On the track? Sure. On the track an Ls1 is better off, but on the street, EVO's have the advantage. And top end? How often do you run past 130-140mph??? Comon. Dont get cocky - the ls1 is a great motor, but this thing is potent, and not to be underestimated.
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Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
12.96 with mods - which is very nice, but there are GSX's and such that would run lower times with lower ET's then you with an even cheaper car and as much $$ or less in mods. They arent running 20psi of boost under that EVO hood yet, and the aftermarket is HUGE. The GSX's we know and love since 1990 are still running the SAME motor. The 4g63 has been around for 13 years now!
A Stock 200hp GSX with a Big16G, intake,exhaust, intercooler, fuel mods,tuning, clutch (under $4000) will now be hitting 350hp and still have the AWD launch, while netting ls1 trap speeds -- and be very fast in the 1/4. I have owned these cars and know they are fast buggers. For $35000, the EVO is a bit heavy and costly, but if you ever take your LS1 and run a modded one, you will be sorry. GSX/AWD/EVO's with the 4g63 break into the 12's without many problems, even into the 11's. It's just hard to get to 10's, and rediculously hard to get to 10.00...
Dont underestimate these cars, on the street they WILL maul an ls1. Think about it. On the street, you cannot launch your ls1 very well, but they can launch that thing at 5000-6000 every time... On the track? Sure. On the track an Ls1 is better off, but on the street, EVO's have the advantage. And top end? How often do you run past 130-140mph??? Comon. Dont get cocky - the ls1 is a great motor, but this thing is potent, and not to be underestimated.
12.96 with mods - which is very nice, but there are GSX's and such that would run lower times with lower ET's then you with an even cheaper car and as much $$ or less in mods. They arent running 20psi of boost under that EVO hood yet, and the aftermarket is HUGE. The GSX's we know and love since 1990 are still running the SAME motor. The 4g63 has been around for 13 years now!
A Stock 200hp GSX with a Big16G, intake,exhaust, intercooler, fuel mods,tuning, clutch (under $4000) will now be hitting 350hp and still have the AWD launch, while netting ls1 trap speeds -- and be very fast in the 1/4. I have owned these cars and know they are fast buggers. For $35000, the EVO is a bit heavy and costly, but if you ever take your LS1 and run a modded one, you will be sorry. GSX/AWD/EVO's with the 4g63 break into the 12's without many problems, even into the 11's. It's just hard to get to 10's, and rediculously hard to get to 10.00...
Dont underestimate these cars, on the street they WILL maul an ls1. Think about it. On the street, you cannot launch your ls1 very well, but they can launch that thing at 5000-6000 every time... On the track? Sure. On the track an Ls1 is better off, but on the street, EVO's have the advantage. And top end? How often do you run past 130-140mph??? Comon. Dont get cocky - the ls1 is a great motor, but this thing is potent, and not to be underestimated.
That being said there are extents to how modded a car is. My car is modded and yet I'd get ripped by many modded LS1's LT1's Cobra's, GT's, WRX's or EVO's. With more mods than I. However I wouldn't race a really modded car thats my choice to do so. My point was to show that in the world of modding anything goes and someone is always faster.
I then went on to point out that the aftermarket for both the EVO and the LS1 is good but I like the LS1's better. You then helped make my point by saying the EVO had terrific potential as does the GSX's but said that the 10 sec barrier is hard to hit and pass. Oh which LS1's have broken into the 8's.
Give me $5000 in the right mods my car I could be in the 9's! I'd need more to keep it there but for a few runs it would be possible!
Not being cocky just stating the facts that these cars, EVO WRX are very quick but not yet capable of dethrowning American rwd V8's in the American game of straight line 1/4 mile performace.
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No freaking way.
A Z28 or SS is a low 13.1-13.3 second car. 13.8 in the quarter for the EVO is quite a few car lengths away from that.
Sure the EVO is great car, but I wouldn't go around telling people it'll eat LS1s for lunch.
A Z28 or SS is a low 13.1-13.3 second car. 13.8 in the quarter for the EVO is quite a few car lengths away from that.
Sure the EVO is great car, but I wouldn't go around telling people it'll eat LS1s for lunch.
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posted by Ken S
I heard they also did 6 grand clutch drops to get those times
I heard they also did 6 grand clutch drops to get those times
The slalom, skidpad and braking numbers for the EVO are insane. .97g?!? Damn.
I think Mitsu should have tried to hold the price closer to $25k. And why is it that every car that's not a GM is subject to a dealer markup? It's going to be pretty ironic when $50k SSR's, $40k GTO's and $45k Silverado SS's are sitting on dealer lots.
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Sorry, not to get too aggressive...
My only worry from all the times I've ran into these cars, stock and modded, with my lt1, is that on the street they are far different then on the track, and straightline is different then turning, which from a rally car, is it's stronger point..
I have also seen that the WRX isnt quite the same, and espicially also, the 95-99GSX is equipped with a turbo that is far from worthy of ANY car ( a t25) And they do get a lot of top end, where the WRX's seem to have more of a flat curve (also a boxer engine...)
I love my rwd v8 to death, but when I see a GSX lining up (and the EVO is the next step) I know I'm playing catch up the whole way.
And yes, when they did those runs, they did NOT launch it. If you launch an EVO on the street or strip, it will go a bit faster... A 13.8 is common for a 'not so great' launch of an Lt1 - with a lighter car and nearly the same power to the wheels, this EVO should get there faster with a better launch, but they did not launch it...
My only worry from all the times I've ran into these cars, stock and modded, with my lt1, is that on the street they are far different then on the track, and straightline is different then turning, which from a rally car, is it's stronger point..
I have also seen that the WRX isnt quite the same, and espicially also, the 95-99GSX is equipped with a turbo that is far from worthy of ANY car ( a t25) And they do get a lot of top end, where the WRX's seem to have more of a flat curve (also a boxer engine...)
I love my rwd v8 to death, but when I see a GSX lining up (and the EVO is the next step) I know I'm playing catch up the whole way.
And yes, when they did those runs, they did NOT launch it. If you launch an EVO on the street or strip, it will go a bit faster... A 13.8 is common for a 'not so great' launch of an Lt1 - with a lighter car and nearly the same power to the wheels, this EVO should get there faster with a better launch, but they did not launch it...
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He must have ment LT1
Evo8 = 13.8
LS1 SS = 13.5
C5 = 13.1
Cobra = 12.8
It will eat Camaro exhust, I think the 2003 Cobra is a much better deal and the Cobra is 100 times better looking.
WHY DIDN'T MITSUBISHI PUT THAT POWERTRAIN IN THE NEW ECLIPES???
They are so dumb, who puts there best engine in there worst car?
Evo8 = 13.8
LS1 SS = 13.5
C5 = 13.1
Cobra = 12.8
It will eat Camaro exhust, I think the 2003 Cobra is a much better deal and the Cobra is 100 times better looking.
WHY DIDN'T MITSUBISHI PUT THAT POWERTRAIN IN THE NEW ECLIPES???
They are so dumb, who puts there best engine in there worst car?
up here the Z dosnt go for nothing..it sucks...I would take one black with no spoiler..
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Re: So what....??
Originally posted by Doug Harden
....Put me in the catagory of Who gives a rat's @$$
Dang dude.... I could stuff a big block in a Chevette and be fast, but I sure as heck wouldn't be seen driving it around town.
Alamo rented me a Lancer POS in Vegas last year and I wore dark glasses so people wouldn't laugh at me.....
I personally couldn't care less what kind of ugly danged econo-box they stuff a motor into and call it "performance".....you'll never see me driving one!
Mitsubishi Lancer or Subaru WRX my @$$!
....Put me in the catagory of Who gives a rat's @$$
Dang dude.... I could stuff a big block in a Chevette and be fast, but I sure as heck wouldn't be seen driving it around town.
Alamo rented me a Lancer POS in Vegas last year and I wore dark glasses so people wouldn't laugh at me.....
I personally couldn't care less what kind of ugly danged econo-box they stuff a motor into and call it "performance".....you'll never see me driving one!
Mitsubishi Lancer or Subaru WRX my @$$!
Faster car than my stock LT1 (even if I knew how to drive it at a drag strip 
) but I could never dream of looking so awful while going fast....
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Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
12.96 with mods - which is very nice, but there are GSX's and such that would run lower times with lower ET's then you with an even cheaper car and as much $$ or less in mods. They arent running 20psi of boost under that EVO hood yet, and the aftermarket is HUGE. The GSX's we know and love since 1990 are still running the SAME motor. The 4g63 has been around for 13 years now!
A Stock 200hp GSX with a Big16G, intake,exhaust, intercooler, fuel mods,tuning, clutch (under $4000) will now be hitting 350hp and still have the AWD launch, while netting ls1 trap speeds -- and be very fast in the 1/4. I have owned these cars and know they are fast buggers. For $35000, the EVO is a bit heavy and costly, but if you ever take your LS1 and run a modded one, you will be sorry. GSX/AWD/EVO's with the 4g63 break into the 12's without many problems, even into the 11's. It's just hard to get to 10's, and rediculously hard to get to 10.00...
Dont underestimate these cars, on the street they WILL maul an ls1. Think about it. On the street, you cannot launch your ls1 very well, but they can launch that thing at 5000-6000 every time... On the track? Sure. On the track an Ls1 is better off, but on the street, EVO's have the advantage. And top end? How often do you run past 130-140mph??? Comon. Dont get cocky - the ls1 is a great motor, but this thing is potent, and not to be underestimated.
12.96 with mods - which is very nice, but there are GSX's and such that would run lower times with lower ET's then you with an even cheaper car and as much $$ or less in mods. They arent running 20psi of boost under that EVO hood yet, and the aftermarket is HUGE. The GSX's we know and love since 1990 are still running the SAME motor. The 4g63 has been around for 13 years now!
A Stock 200hp GSX with a Big16G, intake,exhaust, intercooler, fuel mods,tuning, clutch (under $4000) will now be hitting 350hp and still have the AWD launch, while netting ls1 trap speeds -- and be very fast in the 1/4. I have owned these cars and know they are fast buggers. For $35000, the EVO is a bit heavy and costly, but if you ever take your LS1 and run a modded one, you will be sorry. GSX/AWD/EVO's with the 4g63 break into the 12's without many problems, even into the 11's. It's just hard to get to 10's, and rediculously hard to get to 10.00...
Dont underestimate these cars, on the street they WILL maul an ls1. Think about it. On the street, you cannot launch your ls1 very well, but they can launch that thing at 5000-6000 every time... On the track? Sure. On the track an Ls1 is better off, but on the street, EVO's have the advantage. And top end? How often do you run past 130-140mph??? Comon. Dont get cocky - the ls1 is a great motor, but this thing is potent, and not to be underestimated.
The case is this: the car does very well for hook up. But AWD will suffer at higher speeds. Mitsu traps excellent mph (99-101), equivalent to that of LT1, but it is 3 - 6 mph behind LS1.
Spending a little cash on LS1 (2001/2002) will get it into 12's, and it will be nothing close to $3000 in most cases. To upgrade turbo is expensive, and while I do not know how expensive, I judge by the price of those kits they sell.
Personal observation: EVO is a neat looking package, but those wheels don't go along with the rest of the car. It always leaves the impression that its wheels are too tiny and the car looks disproportional.
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My AWD never really started to lack in pulling power till around 90-100, so it had a bit of top end, and with more mods and such, it would be fine. It just was heavier and had more drivetrain loss then the GST.
A turbo "kit" is like a nitrous "kit" there are always things to buy. But if your car came with a turbo and you find one that will replace it (same ports etc) it's bolt off, bolt on. Easy. Espicially with the 4g63! $3000 is a bit, espicially considering the cost (2002 SS's - not anniversary) were hitting $32+ near me, with a 2002 Firehawk going $39.995...
And the thing I always keep saying - take a 12 second 1/4 ls1 to the street against a 12 second AWD - and the AWD will blow it away from a stop... Yes, the ls1 traps a little higher, but the numbers on that 1/4 were not launched, and we know a launch can easily take off several tenths, but it wont effect the ET. What if they both had a 13.3 1/4, but the ls1 had a few more mph ET? That's good, true... But on the street, where it seems to me most of us race, the EVO has an advantage...
And I think like the Eclipse RS/GS/GST/GSX with the Riceboy "OZ rally edition" people are getting Lancers and pimping them out thinking they have a rally car but that's okay... I still think the car is butt ugly and the 4g63 SHOULD be in the new eclipses - I believe it is the DOHC 4g64 in the SRT-4 neon now actually (a 2.4L stroked 4g63 engine, no more)
But any crap with that is Chrysler's fault, no more, no less (dosent Daimler own like 60% of Mitsu's stock?)
A turbo "kit" is like a nitrous "kit" there are always things to buy. But if your car came with a turbo and you find one that will replace it (same ports etc) it's bolt off, bolt on. Easy. Espicially with the 4g63! $3000 is a bit, espicially considering the cost (2002 SS's - not anniversary) were hitting $32+ near me, with a 2002 Firehawk going $39.995...
And the thing I always keep saying - take a 12 second 1/4 ls1 to the street against a 12 second AWD - and the AWD will blow it away from a stop... Yes, the ls1 traps a little higher, but the numbers on that 1/4 were not launched, and we know a launch can easily take off several tenths, but it wont effect the ET. What if they both had a 13.3 1/4, but the ls1 had a few more mph ET? That's good, true... But on the street, where it seems to me most of us race, the EVO has an advantage...
And I think like the Eclipse RS/GS/GST/GSX with the Riceboy "OZ rally edition" people are getting Lancers and pimping them out thinking they have a rally car
but that's okay... I still think the car is butt ugly and the 4g63 SHOULD be in the new eclipses - I believe it is the DOHC 4g64 in the SRT-4 neon now actually (a 2.4L stroked 4g63 engine, no more)But any crap with that is Chrysler's fault, no more, no less (dosent Daimler own like 60% of Mitsu's stock?)