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Old Jul 31, 2003 | 07:14 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, it's all about the base car and the Z/28.....everything else is just filler.
I wouldn't say it's just filler. Yes the two main cars to focus on are the base and Z28. The are the most important. However, going back to how special models and model range can enhance a product (i.e. Mustang)....Camaro needs something "special" from the factory that, while it isn't the TOP model, does definitely garner interest by being unique in some way....A bridge in performance between the 230HP (just throwing a # up there) and 350HP would also be a plus I think and enhance sales if packaged correctly.
Old Jul 31, 2003 | 07:22 AM
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It will be too confusing to people if I have to tell them I drive a Chevrolet Camaro RS-Z28/SS-1LE , keep names simple, no alphabet soup
Ya, but it'd never be that bad... ("RS-Z28/SS-1LE")

You'd have:

Base car (Camaro)
Base car with RS Package (RS)
Z28
Z28 with RS package (RS/Z28)
SS
SS with RS package (RS/SS)

I don't think it's that confusing, really... but, point taken. I could be a factor....
Old Jul 31, 2003 | 07:27 AM
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I am a firm believer in multiple models. I think 4 levels would be great and maybe perfect. One thing that was great about the other generations of F-bodies was the amout of choices you had in body styles, engines, ect. Now, since there is no word on the Firebird as of right now, we have to assume that it will not be back anytime soon. Since this is probably the case, we just lost the Firebird as an alternative model and bodystyle and now the F-body has less diversity. To pick up the slack and satisfy more people, I think it is very crucial to bring back the different choices to the consumer in the form of more models, with distinctive appearence and multiple engine choices.
Old Jul 31, 2003 | 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Joe K. 96 Zeee!!
I wouldn't say it's just filler. Yes the two main cars to focus on are the base and Z28. The are the most important. However, going back to how special models and model range can enhance a product (i.e. Mustang)....Camaro needs something "special" from the factory that, while it isn't the TOP model, does definitely garner interest by being unique in some way....A bridge in performance between the 230HP (just throwing a # up there) and 350HP would also be a plus I think and enhance sales if packaged correctly.
Oh, by filler, I didn't mean to imply that we didn't need them. These two models, ( Base and Z/28), are the Camaro brands' anchors. They must be executed perfectly. Of course their is room ...and a need...for models in between.
Old Jul 31, 2003 | 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Joe K. 96 Zeee!!
I wouldn't say it's just filler. Yes the two main cars to focus on are the base and Z28. The are the most important. However, going back to how special models and model range can enhance a product (i.e. Mustang)....Camaro needs something "special" from the factory that, while it isn't the TOP model, does definitely garner interest by being unique in some way....A bridge in performance between the 230HP (just throwing a # up there) and 350HP would also be a plus I think and enhance sales if packaged correctly.
It would be awesome to have all of these models jut like the mustang has all of theirs-base model,GT,MACH1,Cobra and whatever else that they have in their lineup. So why have a boring Camaro lineup?

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Old Jul 31, 2003 | 09:41 AM
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It would be awesome to have all of these models jut like the mustang has all of theirs-base model,GT,MACH1,Cobra and whatever else that they have in their lineup. So why have a boring Camaro lineup?
They should. I just wonder if in all of this "SS mania"....Chevy has the ability to pull off multiple models successfully in a Camaro?
Old Jul 31, 2003 | 09:50 AM
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They should. I just wonder if in all of this "SS mania"....Chevy has the ability to pull off multiple models successfully in a Camaro?
Sure they could,the Camaro has a very large following or other car enthusiasts, that alone will help more models to succeed.They and as well as other newer car guys/gals know of the earlier combo cars.I do believe it would/will get them all excited about the Camaro again.

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Old Jul 31, 2003 | 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by 91Zman
Sure they could,the Camaro has a very large following or other car enthusiasts, that alone will help more models to succeed.They and as well as other newer car guys/gals know of the earlier combo cars.I do believe it would/will get them all excited about the Camaro again.
i agree, but i think even moreso it wuold help garner interest with some definate power. something to spank the mustang with. and of course, more ads (more than zero that is).
course, on the power issue, i heard teh gt gets only 280 for the new model, which is only 20 more hp more than they have now. we could still throw ls1's in and beat them i guess then.
and now back to the topic, yea i can see the alphabet soup argument, but i do think they should do it like darthxed said.
that would be a true throwback to the 1st gens
Old Jul 31, 2003 | 07:01 PM
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I say make it its own mid-level model.

Like the base model could be V6, the RS could be an upgraded basemodel that has a supercharged V6, and some appearance stuff....

and the Z28s and SSs can each have there own appearance packages!
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by zero231
I say make it its own mid-level model.

Like the base model could be V6, the RS could be an upgraded basemodel that has a supercharged V6, and some appearance stuff....

and the Z28s and SSs can each have there own appearance packages!
See, though, if you start doing this stuff... giving 3-4 models their own individual looks and loads specific equipment, the car is going to get priced right out of production before it even begins.
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 09:07 AM
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Why?! It's not like it hasn't been done before and there's no Firebird this time.
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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Why?! It's not like it hasn't been done before and there's no Firebird this time.
When was the last time Camaro offered 4 distinctly different looking models?

Not just wheels and trim pieces...
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 05:14 PM
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Wheels and trim are some of the things that make the difference, in alot of cases there just isn't enough of it. There was difference and distinctivness in every Gen except the 4th really, until the SS came along and even then it wasn't that different. Who wants that again?! I wanna be able to tell the models apart easily like before.

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Old Aug 1, 2003 | 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by IZ28
Wheels and trim are some of the things that make the difference, in alot of cases there just isn't enough of it. There was difference and distinctivness in every Gen except the 4th really, until the SS came along and even then it wasn't that different. Who wants that again?! I wanna be able to tell the models apart easily like before.
The SS had as much differentiation from the Z28 as the IROC-Z did from the Z28 of it's time.

The F4 Z28 to the F4 base car... well, no the 4th Gen didn't step up there, but as we have rehashed in past threads, Chevy tried to carry over the success of the 89-92 RS looking like a Z28...

If you want to look at it from a different point of view, Firebird and Trans Am had totally different front fasicas.

Now, that still doesn't bring me up to four different looks in one car line...

If wheels and trim alone are enough for you to see it as a big differentation, so be it, but I don't know that that really qualifies as a distinct look for each of four models.
Old Aug 1, 2003 | 07:15 PM
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Its not like there havent been four different camaro models before...GM can do whatever they want, and right now no one can guarantee that there will even be a new camaro...

Personally I would love to see a wide variety if camaro models which each one having performance and styling characteristics that distinguish them easily from the others....

1972 there was:
base, rs, z28, lt, ss

1985 there was:
base, berlinetta, z28, iroc

1987 there was:
base, LT, RS(cali only), z28, and iroc

and 87 was the best selling year in quite awhile for the f-body...

so it has been and can be done, personally I like the idea of my car being different than my neighbors, right now its like i see a 4thgen camaro and the big differences are color, emblem, and whether its automatic or manual.....



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