View Poll Results: Which Camaro model is LEAST important to a 5th gen?
Base Camaro
23
38.98%
SS
16
27.12%
Z/28
8
13.56%
They are ALL unimportant.
12
20.34%
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PARALLEL UNIVERSE POLL! Which Camaro model is least important
05-02-2003, 01:09 AM
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The SS. The Camaro was incredibly successfull for years and years without it and it only complicates the lineup now. Either they make real differences to it so the Z28 doesn't look stupid or demoted again, or leave it out once more.
05-02-2003, 02:19 AM
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I think the SS is important if they want to compete with Mustang trims.
V6 Camaro Vs. V6 Mustang
Camaro Z28 Vs. Mustang GT
Camaro SS Vs. Mustang SVT Cobra
They really need to widen the gap between the SS and the Z28 performance wise.
V6 Camaro Vs. V6 Mustang
Camaro Z28 Vs. Mustang GT
Camaro SS Vs. Mustang SVT Cobra
They really need to widen the gap between the SS and the Z28 performance wise.
05-02-2003, 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Pentatonic
I was going to vote for "they are ALL improtant", but since the only choice was "they are ALL UNimportant", I voted for that, considering there is no 5th gen yet.
I was going to vote for "they are ALL improtant", but since the only choice was "they are ALL UNimportant", I voted for that, considering there is no 5th gen yet.
LOL. Ya, I voted for the ALL thing thinking it read They are all important not unimportant.
I guess I should read closer...
05-02-2003, 09:02 AM
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SS.
How can you justify making this model more important just to compete with the Cobra which sells in limited quantities? If I recall, Cobra's production is less than 10,000 or even closer to 5,000. A fifth gen Camaro will have to sell in a lot larger quantities than for that to be a significant portion--or it'll see a real long hiatus.
This almost makes me wonder if an SS model will even be available when the car launches. We see what Chevy does now with the C6 Z06 and what Ford will do with holding the next Cobra back for a year--I don't think it's unimaginable that it'd be a few years before an SS model is reintroduced. Afterall, the fourth gens got off to a nice start without SS and it was an afterthought from SLP when it did return.
I see it and/or other special editions breathing life into the car after a few years once the newness wears off. Perhaps holding a convertible back a year wouldn't be bad either. This staggering of such introductions seems the rule of thumb now (C5, 350Z, Boxster, etc.).
How can you justify making this model more important just to compete with the Cobra which sells in limited quantities? If I recall, Cobra's production is less than 10,000 or even closer to 5,000. A fifth gen Camaro will have to sell in a lot larger quantities than for that to be a significant portion--or it'll see a real long hiatus.
This almost makes me wonder if an SS model will even be available when the car launches. We see what Chevy does now with the C6 Z06 and what Ford will do with holding the next Cobra back for a year--I don't think it's unimaginable that it'd be a few years before an SS model is reintroduced. Afterall, the fourth gens got off to a nice start without SS and it was an afterthought from SLP when it did return.
I see it and/or other special editions breathing life into the car after a few years once the newness wears off. Perhaps holding a convertible back a year wouldn't be bad either. This staggering of such introductions seems the rule of thumb now (C5, 350Z, Boxster, etc.).
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05-02-2003, 09:06 AM
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SS is very very very important.
There's alot of people out there who absolutely would rather pay $30,000+++ to get that hood, SS labels, and 1" bigger wheels, than the lowly $23-25,000 Z28 with the same engine and performance!
The sales history bears this out.
(The last part, unlike the rest of this post, isn't sarcasm but actually true
)
There's alot of people out there who absolutely would rather pay $30,000+++ to get that hood, SS labels, and 1" bigger wheels, than the lowly $23-25,000 Z28 with the same engine and performance!
The sales history bears this out.
(The last part, unlike the rest of this post, isn't sarcasm but actually true
)
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05-02-2003, 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by guionM
SS is very very very important.
There's alot of people out there who absolutely would rather pay $30,000+++ to get that hood, SS labels, and 1" bigger wheels, than the lowly $23-25,000 Z28 with the same engine and performance!
The sales history bears this out.
(The last part, unlike the rest of this post, isn't sarcasm but actually true )
SS is very very very important.
There's alot of people out there who absolutely would rather pay $30,000+++ to get that hood, SS labels, and 1" bigger wheels, than the lowly $23-25,000 Z28 with the same engine and performance!
The sales history bears this out.
(The last part, unlike the rest of this post, isn't sarcasm but actually true
)
Truth is SS was a good money maker for GM... and it left Z28 as the "no frills, no BS" performance Camaro that so many here say it should be...
...yet say it wasn't ...
05-02-2003, 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by guionM
SS is very very very important.
There's alot of people out there who absolutely would rather pay $30,000+++ to get that hood, SS labels, and 1" bigger wheels, than the lowly $23-25,000 Z28 with the same engine and performance!
The sales history bears this out.
(The last part, unlike the rest of this post, isn't sarcasm but actually true )
SS is very very very important.
There's alot of people out there who absolutely would rather pay $30,000+++ to get that hood, SS labels, and 1" bigger wheels, than the lowly $23-25,000 Z28 with the same engine and performance!
The sales history bears this out.
(The last part, unlike the rest of this post, isn't sarcasm but actually true
)
I'm under the belief that SS and WS6 models saw more sales in the last few years because that was the majority of what dealer's ordered. It seems it's more rare now to see a "regular" Z28 or Trans Am than WS6. The SS/WS6 proved to be successful because it was the closest thing to something new for a stale car. I think that $30k pricetag scared more people off than winning them over.
What happens to that theory when you talk about the third gens sales? There were no SS glamour packages to push sales then.
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05-02-2003, 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by jrp4uc
What happens to that theory when you talk about the third gens sales? There were no SS glamour packages to push sales then.
What happens to that theory when you talk about the third gens sales? There were no SS glamour packages to push sales then.
Sure there was... they were called IROC-Z and Trans Am GTA .
05-02-2003, 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
Sure there was... they were called IROC-Z and Trans Am GTA .
Sure there was... they were called IROC-Z and Trans Am GTA .
05-02-2003, 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by jrp4uc
That's still not "SS" which was what was in question and proves it wasn't needed. This backs my point that these alternative models can be added to the lineup later to spruce things up.
That's still not "SS" which was what was in question and proves it wasn't needed. This backs my point that these alternative models can be added to the lineup later to spruce things up.
What is the difference between SS and IROC-Z and WS6 and GTA in comparision ot their Generation of car?
All came in as later additions to their lineups, all were visual and suspension upgrades...
They are the same things, just with different names...
05-02-2003, 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
Again, I'll pose the question:
What is the difference between SS and IROC-Z and WS6 and GTA in comparision ot their Generation of car?
All came in as later additions to their lineups, all were visual and suspension upgrades...
They are the same things, just with different names...
Again, I'll pose the question:
What is the difference between SS and IROC-Z and WS6 and GTA in comparision ot their Generation of car?
All came in as later additions to their lineups, all were visual and suspension upgrades...
They are the same things, just with different names...
Even though "SS" models are popular across the Chevy line right now, I'd be surprised if it was available immediately upon fifth gen launch (unless it replaces Z28). You can provide a lot of options and customizablity without necessarily having to offer a large variety of model names (see Mini Cooper and Cooper S: 2 models with endless number of options).
The demand will be there simply because the cars would be new and have been on hiatus. I think an SS model introduced later along with other limited specialty models (ala Bullitt, Mach1) would be more realistic and a better business plan, along with more consistent general refreshening.