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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 08:50 PM
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Canada banning Hyundai is kind of like the US banning GM. It does not make economic sense and is purely a political ploy. Chances are if you buy a Hyundai (Sonata and Santa Fe most popular models) you have a car made in Alabama with some parts from Korea and China. On the other hand, GM makes its cars in Canada, Mexico, Australia ... the US with parts from all over the world also. So saying "I only buy America" or "I only buy Canadian" is a bit short sighted in this global marketplace.
Old Jan 23, 2008 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ponykillr
Canada banning Hyundai is kind of like the US banning GM. It does not make economic sense and is purely a political ploy. Chances are if you buy a Hyundai (Sonata and Santa Fe most popular models) you have a car made in Alabama with some parts from Korea and China. On the other hand, GM makes its cars in Canada, Mexico, Australia ... the US with parts from all over the world also. So saying "I only buy America" or "I only buy Canadian" is a bit short sighted in this global marketplace.
It's not about where the cars are built, but where the company is located out of.
Old Jan 23, 2008 | 10:56 PM
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I think we should expect all imported goods and vehicles to pass ALL of our tough; health, crash, safety requirements, the same as everything made here.
Then tariff them to match how our products are taxed on their shores.

I remember seeing something about nearly $35K Ford Taurus' in Japan...yet Honda's were selling here at a near loss.
Old Jan 23, 2008 | 11:11 PM
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"We" GM does not get a free ride into China. We have to partner with a Chinese company to begin to think about selling a vehicle in China.

Plus, the vehicle must be assembled in China. Shanghai is our partner in China.

I'd rather we don't pull out of China, as they are the only thing keeping GM #1 and vehicles sold there are CASH COWS.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 12:11 AM
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Hey Cool!! I hope they go through with it. Somebody finally found the nadz to stand up and say "Look, this isn't right."

I only wish somebody 'important' would do that here...kick them right below the belt - "Look, you want us to buy your cars? Then buy ours. Otherwise you can shove it!"
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 05:05 AM
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Logic in Politics?

This will not last.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragoneye
Hey Cool!! I hope they go through with it. Somebody finally found the nadz to stand up and say "Look, this isn't right."

I only wish somebody 'important' would do that here...kick them right below the belt - "Look, you want us to buy your cars? Then buy ours. Otherwise you can shove it!"
Although this is the situation with this article. I would be happy if we just put up the same roadblocks to imports as they put towards ours. We tax Japanese imports just as much as the Japanese tax our imports. This would still be a big advantage for japan because the US market is much larger than the Japanese but it would be a start and could actually lead to Toyota, Honda, etc. fighting for lowered taxes on our cars imported to Japan. I think its only fair to adopt a mirror tax. I also think domesticly assembled cars should not be affected by this rule regardless of where the company is headquartered. This would encourage production of Automobiles in the US which would help create jobs.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 07:29 AM
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I also think domesticly assembled cars should not be affected by this rule regardless of where the company is headquartered. This would encourage production of Automobiles in the US which would help create jobs.
I think your on to something there.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 09:08 AM
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That is already in place, Toyota doesn't pay tariffs for the vehicles they tricked the southerners to build for htem.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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I wish the US had ***** like this, but all our senators are enjoying their new Camrys and RLs. Couldn't have that change, now could we!
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 07:30 AM
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That is already in place, Toyota doesn't pay tariffs for the vehicles they tricked the southerners to build for htem.
The only problem is we don't tax imported toyotas the way they tax our exports to Japan. ( I actually have no knowledge of how our exports would be taxed in Japan and I really don't know that much about how cars imported from Japan to here are taxed so I really probably shouldn't be arguing these points. I'm working purely off of assumptions and that is always a bad idea)

I'm going to shut up now.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by detltu
The only problem is we don't tax imported toyotas the way they tax our exports to Japan. ( I actually have no knowledge of how our exports would be taxed in Japan and I really don't know that much about how cars imported from Japan to here are taxed so I really probably shouldn't be arguing these points. I'm working purely off of assumptions and that is always a bad idea)

I'm going to shut up now.
I don't know the actual numbers either, but I was under the impression there weren't significant tariff barriers for importing cars into Japan anymore. However there are very significant non-tariff barriers, such as 100% inspection requirements, the difficulty of establishing a dealer network, impossibly high land costs in desirable districts for dealerships, and perhaps most importantly, the Japanese people's overwhelming preference for buying domestic products over foreign products (aside from luxury or cultural items). Kinda like how the XBOX360 outsells the PS3 everywhere but in Japan, where it has almost no market share. They just don't like buying things from foreign countries.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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There's a high degree of nationalism in the asian-pacific countries, and that is the main reason why our products don't do well over there. It doesn't help that our own popular media sing praises for the asian-produced vehicles while at the same time criticizing the domestic made vehicle out of pure habit. I've driven foreign and domestic cars and truly, I fail to see much difference in quality.

What we need to do is re-introduce some nationalistic pride into our own population, starting with schools and popular media.
Old Jan 27, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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japan does not buy us made cars .
Old Jan 27, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DAKMOR
That is already in place, Toyota doesn't pay tariffs for the vehicles they tricked the southerners to build for htem.
Yep, but I think that only applies to trucks. Their cars come into this country pretty much tariff-free or very low tariffs vs the Japanese and Korean counterparts. OTOH, we place a 25% tariff on all imported trucks and the Japanese and Koreans get by this by assembling their trucks here, delivering them to our shores in pieces or "Parts" as they're called.

But hey, all the pro-import guys claim "free-market" right?
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