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No SVT's for '05. V10 SVT Cobra for '06?

Old Nov 23, 2003 | 09:54 PM
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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
It is in fact lighter than the blown 5.4. I remember reading that a while back. It may even be smaller dimension wise.

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Got this from a write up on the 427 Concept.

The modern version of the Ford 427 concept’s power plant started off as a cloak and dagger “skunk works” project commissioned by Theodore, who wanted to know if it was feasible to craft an all-new, lightweight 427 cubic inch (7.0-liter) engine out of Ford’s highly flexible modular V-8 engine family. Ford’s Powertrain Research & Development answered the call and began working under the radar screen on a limited budget. The result shocked everyone. Remarkably, the engine is almost 70 pounds lighter than the 5.4-liter 32-valve Cobra R engine from the Ford Mustang.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 11:00 PM
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Remarkably, the engine is almost 70 pounds lighter than the 5.4-liter 32-valve Cobra R engine from the Ford Mustang.
They weren't talking about the supercharged version.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 11:15 PM
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They weren't talking about the supercharged version.
Yeah. Tack on the extra weight of the blower, blower piping, and intercooler, and you're talking about an engine that could easily be 100+lbs lighter than an iron block S/c 5.4. I'm assuming the S/c 5.4 going into the L/Cobra would have an iron block to cut cost in place of the GT's aluminum one.

That's a lot of weight. Cost and feasibility though.... That may be the deciding factor. Seems like Ford has a 500+ capable S/c'ed 5.4 ALREADY on hand. Will they go through the trouble of adding a performance v10??? Is it REALLY needed?

Neil, thanks for spelling that out.

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Old Nov 23, 2003 | 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
Yeah. Tack on the extra weight of the blower, blower piping, and intercooler, and you're talking about an engine that could easily be 100+lbs lighter than an iron block S/c 5.4. I'm assuming the S/c 5.4 going into the L/Cobra would have an iron block to cut cost in place of the GT's aluminum one.


I'd bet it's substantially more than 100 lbs. I thought the cast iron block...alone...cost about a hundred pounds over the aluminum block.

Now subtract the blower, intercooler and associated plumbing.
Old Nov 23, 2003 | 11:56 PM
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I'd bet it's substantially more than 100 lbs. I thought the cast iron block...alone...cost about a hundred pounds over the aluminum block.
I was being conservative, hence the 100+. The difference could easily be as much 200lbs or maybe even more.

The blown 5.4 is one heavy motor. Ditching the engine alone could make the car a good bit lighter. I'm not suprised that the GT weighs around 3300lbs even with extensive use of aluminum, space frame, and composite materials. A lighter more powerful v10 like the 427ci example used in the 427 concept would do wonders.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 05:25 AM
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The V10 is an image booster, then again I think Viper V10 and think "tractor". Where did the signature Mustang sound go?
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 09:08 AM
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John Coletti, SVT's chief engineer, said the 2006 Lightning will be powered by an engine similar to the one featured in the 500-horsepower Ford GT, which debuts next year.
Gee, didn't someone here say this a few weeks ago?


Ford's next scheduled model year for SVT products will be 2006. But its lineup - the Mustang Cobra and F-150 Lightning - will be based on new platforms and offer increased levels of performance.
Basically it means that there won't be any SVO products till at least 4 months into the 2005 model year (when they can be called 2006s).

Not a big issue considering SVT is a very, very small unit and they have been given a pretty hefty amount of work (new Lightning & a new Mustang at the same time). Seems they got alittle bogged down.

Also, SVT doesn't do Lincoln-Mercury.

That's Ford's Performance Group. FPG did Marauder & the Mach1. FPG includes Ford's aftermarket arm, Ford Racing, Ford Performance Parts, SVT (it's own organization within FPG) and Performance vehicles outside SVT.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by guionM

Not a big issue considering SVT is a very, very small unit and they have been given a pretty hefty amount of work (new Lightning & a new Mustang at the same time). Seems they got alittle bogged down.

Also, SVT doesn't do Lincoln-Mercury.

You're right guion. It's a big job..for a small group...to completely re-engineer 2 all new platforms to SVT specs. No surprise that they're skipping a year.

I wonder though, if the SRT-4 put the SVT Focus out of business. SVT Focus, fell short of sales expectations.....SRT-4 sold SEVERAL TIMES sales expectations! I guess a 14 sec. flat 1/4 mile is the new benchmark in this niche.
I thought SVT had a 220 horse turbo Focus under developement, do we know what's going to happen with that?.

You're also right about SVT and Lincoln Mercury. But Coletti and his crew will leave the SVT developed S/C 4.6 Cobra motor on the parts shelf for Marauder to use.

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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:37 PM
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I wonder though, if the SRT-4 put the SVT Focus out of business. SVT Focus, fell short of sales expectations.....SRT-4 sold SEVERAL TIMES sales expectations! I guess a 14 sec. flat 1/4 mile is the new benchmark in this niche.
I thought SVT had a 220 horse turbo Focus under developement, do we know what's going to happen with that?
I believe you're talking about the Europe-only Focus RS (AWD turbo ralleye car)
You're also right about SVT and Lincoln Mercury. But Coletti and his crew will leave the SVT developed S/C 4.6 Cobra motor on the parts shelf for Marauder to use.
I thought they were going to quit making the Marauder after next year? If they get a more powerful motor (the Navigator's NA 5.4L DOHC would do wonders, but a supercharged version would kick ***!) it would definitely be a great car to keep around.
Old Nov 24, 2003 | 01:29 PM
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I believe you're talking about the Europe-only Focus RS (AWD turbo ralleye car)

I thought they were going to quit making the Marauder after next year? If they get a more powerful motor (the Navigator's NA 5.4L DOHC would do wonders, but a supercharged version would kick ***!) it would definitely be a great car to keep around.
The Focus RS was never intended for North America. I think it was priced well north of $30,000.

SVT was working on a 220 hp turbo Focus for release here in '04/'05. They were reportedly using a Mazda turbo motor for that car.

It seems the Marauder has gotten a reprieve from the executioner. It's expected to get the '03/'04 SC Cobra motor in '05.

I don't know if it's just me...but I've probably seen more Marauders on the street in the past month than I have since they were released.
Old Nov 25, 2003 | 03:39 AM
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The V10 is an image booster, then again I think Viper V10 and think "tractor". Where did the signature Mustang sound go?
AMEN to that. I hate the way Vipers sound... and would much prefer the sound of a V8 in a Mustang.
Old Nov 25, 2003 | 08:53 AM
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The V10 powerplant jives with the ~$43K MSRP I've been hearing on the Ford sites.
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