No SVT's for '05. V10 SVT Cobra for '06?
Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
It is in fact lighter than the blown 5.4. I remember reading that a while back. It may even be smaller dimension wise.
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It is in fact lighter than the blown 5.4. I remember reading that a while back. It may even be smaller dimension wise.
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The modern version of the Ford 427 concept’s power plant started off as a cloak and dagger “skunk works” project commissioned by Theodore, who wanted to know if it was feasible to craft an all-new, lightweight 427 cubic inch (7.0-liter) engine out of Ford’s highly flexible modular V-8 engine family. Ford’s Powertrain Research & Development answered the call and began working under the radar screen on a limited budget. The result shocked everyone. Remarkably, the engine is almost 70 pounds lighter than the 5.4-liter 32-valve Cobra R engine from the Ford Mustang.
Originally posted by Z284ever
Remarkably, the engine is almost 70 pounds lighter than the 5.4-liter 32-valve Cobra R engine from the Ford Mustang.
Remarkably, the engine is almost 70 pounds lighter than the 5.4-liter 32-valve Cobra R engine from the Ford Mustang.
Originally posted by AdioSS
They weren't talking about the supercharged version.
They weren't talking about the supercharged version.
That's a lot of weight. Cost and feasibility though.... That may be the deciding factor. Seems like Ford has a 500+ capable S/c'ed 5.4 ALREADY on hand. Will they go through the trouble of adding a performance v10??? Is it REALLY needed?
Neil, thanks for spelling that out.
Last edited by RiceEating5.0; Nov 23, 2003 at 11:19 PM.
Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
Yeah. Tack on the extra weight of the blower, blower piping, and intercooler, and you're talking about an engine that could easily be 100+lbs lighter than an iron block S/c 5.4. I'm assuming the S/c 5.4 going into the L/Cobra would have an iron block to cut cost in place of the GT's aluminum one.
Yeah. Tack on the extra weight of the blower, blower piping, and intercooler, and you're talking about an engine that could easily be 100+lbs lighter than an iron block S/c 5.4. I'm assuming the S/c 5.4 going into the L/Cobra would have an iron block to cut cost in place of the GT's aluminum one.
Now subtract the blower, intercooler and associated plumbing.
Originally posted by Z284ever
I'd bet it's substantially more than 100 lbs. I thought the cast iron block...alone...cost about a hundred pounds over the aluminum block.
I'd bet it's substantially more than 100 lbs. I thought the cast iron block...alone...cost about a hundred pounds over the aluminum block.
. The difference could easily be as much 200lbs or maybe even more.The blown 5.4 is one heavy motor. Ditching the engine alone could make the car a good bit lighter. I'm not suprised that the GT weighs around 3300lbs even with extensive use of aluminum, space frame, and composite materials. A lighter more powerful v10 like the 427ci example used in the 427 concept would do wonders.
John Coletti, SVT's chief engineer, said the 2006 Lightning will be powered by an engine similar to the one featured in the 500-horsepower Ford GT, which debuts next year.

Ford's next scheduled model year for SVT products will be 2006. But its lineup - the Mustang Cobra and F-150 Lightning - will be based on new platforms and offer increased levels of performance.
Not a big issue considering SVT is a very, very small unit and they have been given a pretty hefty amount of work (new Lightning & a new Mustang at the same time). Seems they got alittle bogged down.
Also, SVT doesn't do Lincoln-Mercury.
That's Ford's Performance Group. FPG did Marauder & the Mach1. FPG includes Ford's aftermarket arm, Ford Racing, Ford Performance Parts, SVT (it's own organization within FPG) and Performance vehicles outside SVT.
Originally posted by guionM
Not a big issue considering SVT is a very, very small unit and they have been given a pretty hefty amount of work (new Lightning & a new Mustang at the same time). Seems they got alittle bogged down.
Also, SVT doesn't do Lincoln-Mercury.
Not a big issue considering SVT is a very, very small unit and they have been given a pretty hefty amount of work (new Lightning & a new Mustang at the same time). Seems they got alittle bogged down.
Also, SVT doesn't do Lincoln-Mercury.
I wonder though, if the SRT-4 put the SVT Focus out of business. SVT Focus, fell short of sales expectations.....SRT-4 sold SEVERAL TIMES sales expectations! I guess a 14 sec. flat 1/4 mile is the new benchmark in this niche.
I thought SVT had a 220 horse turbo Focus under developement, do we know what's going to happen with that?.
You're also right about SVT and Lincoln Mercury. But Coletti and his crew will leave the SVT developed S/C 4.6 Cobra motor on the parts shelf for Marauder to use.
Last edited by Z284ever; Nov 24, 2003 at 09:46 AM.
Originally posted by Z284ever
I wonder though, if the SRT-4 put the SVT Focus out of business. SVT Focus, fell short of sales expectations.....SRT-4 sold SEVERAL TIMES sales expectations! I guess a 14 sec. flat 1/4 mile is the new benchmark in this niche.
I thought SVT had a 220 horse turbo Focus under developement, do we know what's going to happen with that?
I wonder though, if the SRT-4 put the SVT Focus out of business. SVT Focus, fell short of sales expectations.....SRT-4 sold SEVERAL TIMES sales expectations! I guess a 14 sec. flat 1/4 mile is the new benchmark in this niche.
I thought SVT had a 220 horse turbo Focus under developement, do we know what's going to happen with that?
You're also right about SVT and Lincoln Mercury. But Coletti and his crew will leave the SVT developed S/C 4.6 Cobra motor on the parts shelf for Marauder to use.
Originally posted by AdioSS
I believe you're talking about the Europe-only Focus RS (AWD turbo ralleye car)
I thought they were going to quit making the Marauder after next year? If they get a more powerful motor (the Navigator's NA 5.4L DOHC would do wonders, but a supercharged version would kick ***!) it would definitely be a great car to keep around.
I believe you're talking about the Europe-only Focus RS (AWD turbo ralleye car)
I thought they were going to quit making the Marauder after next year? If they get a more powerful motor (the Navigator's NA 5.4L DOHC would do wonders, but a supercharged version would kick ***!) it would definitely be a great car to keep around.
SVT was working on a 220 hp turbo Focus for release here in '04/'05. They were reportedly using a Mazda turbo motor for that car.
It seems the Marauder has gotten a reprieve from the executioner. It's expected to get the '03/'04 SC Cobra motor in '05.
I don't know if it's just me...but I've probably seen more Marauders on the street in the past month than I have since they were released.
The V10 is an image booster, then again I think Viper V10 and think "tractor". Where did the signature Mustang sound go?
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