Nissan pulls out of Detroit and Chicago auto shows
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Major global international auto shows happen in key cities. Geneva, Paris, Sydney, & Frankfurt. Here in the US, the 3 biggest cities are New York, LA, and Chicago. If you go by weather (and market) I'd say LA wins.
That goes without mentioning that every US automaker and most imports have at least a major office if not an entire studio or development center in Southern California. Most are concentrated in and around Orange county. That includes Metalworkers, a business that builds most concepts assembled off premise of the major manufacturers.
I don't think Florida or Georiga can say that, can they?
That goes without mentioning that every US automaker and most imports have at least a major office if not an entire studio or development center in Southern California. Most are concentrated in and around Orange county. That includes Metalworkers, a business that builds most concepts assembled off premise of the major manufacturers.
I don't think Florida or Georiga can say that, can they?
Guy, Las Vegas has nearly zero to do with the vehicle aftermarket business... yet SEMA is in Vegas... It's not the relevance of the town. It's the relevance of the event.
The PRI show, which is THE racing business show, is in Orlando... For a person like me, PRI is an absolute must. Nowhere else will you get to check out the real performance parts, and the newest in CNC and other race shop goodies.
LA is a great show, and a launch point.
I think it is off the mark to feel Detroit is not relevant any longer. The automotive and mainstream media make NAIAS what it is.
Having been to LA and NAIAS for three years running, Detroit is the bigger deal. Far more industry people attend Detroit, including the imports...
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Nissan and its dealers backpedaling BIGTIME
Things that make you say "Hmmmm...." 
http://blogs.wsj.com/autoshow/2008/1...-be-the-stars/
Short version:
1. Nissan belatedly realized how dimwitted it was to declare a withdrawal from the Chicago show, and has now stumbled to a reversal of that decision
2. Nissan Detroit dealers have decided to host a display of their own at the 2009 NAIAS, since Nissan already paid for the space in their infinite wisdom, but of course decided they were too almighty to bless lowly Detroit with the presence of Nissan wondercars
http://blogs.wsj.com/autoshow/2008/1...-be-the-stars/
Short version:
1. Nissan belatedly realized how dimwitted it was to declare a withdrawal from the Chicago show, and has now stumbled to a reversal of that decision
2. Nissan Detroit dealers have decided to host a display of their own at the 2009 NAIAS, since Nissan already paid for the space in their infinite wisdom, but of course decided they were too almighty to bless lowly Detroit with the presence of Nissan wondercars
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Things that make you say "Hmmmm...."
http://blogs.wsj.com/autoshow/2008/1...-be-the-stars/
Short version:
1. Nissan belatedly realized how dimwitted it was to declare a withdrawal from the Chicago show, and has now stumbled to a reversal of that decision
2. Nissan Detroit dealers have decided to host a display of their own at the 2009 NAIAS, since Nissan already paid for the space in their infinite wisdom, but of course decided they were too almighty to bless lowly Detroit with the presence of Nissan wondercars
http://blogs.wsj.com/autoshow/2008/1...-be-the-stars/
Short version:
1. Nissan belatedly realized how dimwitted it was to declare a withdrawal from the Chicago show, and has now stumbled to a reversal of that decision
2. Nissan Detroit dealers have decided to host a display of their own at the 2009 NAIAS, since Nissan already paid for the space in their infinite wisdom, but of course decided they were too almighty to bless lowly Detroit with the presence of Nissan wondercars
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Actually, how HAS been Nissan doing? I thought they were in financially dire times for a number of years now, and merger with Renault was supposed to help out. I didn't hear any updates since. I was under the impression that Nissan was still not making money even after the merger.
Anyone care to update?
Anyone care to update?
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You can roll eyes all you want; Nissan; as are several other other manufacturers, are doing what they can to save expenses...perhaps if the Detroit Three had learned that; they wouldn't have to go begging Congress to borrow money from China to give to the Detroit Three.
), and they do have some good designs. Hooray for them. But it's their attitude that bugs me. Too good for Detroit? I don't think so 
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That last sentence said it all. Southern California is perhaps the most car intensive area in the United States. Everything from Hybrids to rear drive performance cars from customizing shops to every dealer from Chevrolet to Ferrari plentiful & in easy access, not to mention home of the most massive freeway system in the country.
Then there's the fact that during showtime you never have to deal with snow or sub-60 (let alone sub 30) degree tempreatures (65° today, 71° Friday). New York's unions at the convention center are nortoriously hard to work with, LAs are comparatively a cakewalk.
The big 3 automakers once dominated the world, and Detroit is their hometown. No disrespect to Detroit, but outside of being the center of the US auto industry, there is no real reason that one would expect it to be host of the North American International Auto Show.
New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles are all major US cities. Even Pittsburgh Pennsylvania has a bigger population than Detroit. Having the focus on Detroit over Chicago is like having the focus out here on San Diego instead of Los Angeles (though the smaller San Diego is far nicer than LA while one can not say the same of Detroit over Chicago). Then there's the weather.
I don't think the issue is floorspace. I think it's relevence.
Then there's the fact that during showtime you never have to deal with snow or sub-60 (let alone sub 30) degree tempreatures (65° today, 71° Friday). New York's unions at the convention center are nortoriously hard to work with, LAs are comparatively a cakewalk.
The big 3 automakers once dominated the world, and Detroit is their hometown. No disrespect to Detroit, but outside of being the center of the US auto industry, there is no real reason that one would expect it to be host of the North American International Auto Show.
New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles are all major US cities. Even Pittsburgh Pennsylvania has a bigger population than Detroit. Having the focus on Detroit over Chicago is like having the focus out here on San Diego instead of Los Angeles (though the smaller San Diego is far nicer than LA while one can not say the same of Detroit over Chicago). Then there's the weather.
I don't think the issue is floorspace. I think it's relevence.
The population in Detroit is 3x bigger than Pittsburgh and the Metro Detroit area has about 2.5x as many people as Metro Pittsburgh. I understand why the foreign companies feel the way the feel about Detroit. If they want to make a bigger presence here they need to make their presence known outside of the white collar world. Volkswagon/Audi American HQ was here and no one knew. I know the union fear keeps them away. If you go to certain areas of Metro Detroit you will see more foreign cars or at least an even balance. If they want to see their cars here and have more influence they need to have more than just an office complex here.
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Things that make you say "Hmmmm...."
http://blogs.wsj.com/autoshow/2008/1...-be-the-stars/
Short version:
1. Nissan belatedly realized how dimwitted it was to declare a withdrawal from the Chicago show, and has now stumbled to a reversal of that decision
2. Nissan Detroit dealers have decided to host a display of their own at the 2009 NAIAS, since Nissan already paid for the space in their infinite wisdom, but of course decided they were too almighty to bless lowly Detroit with the presence of Nissan wondercars
http://blogs.wsj.com/autoshow/2008/1...-be-the-stars/
Short version:
1. Nissan belatedly realized how dimwitted it was to declare a withdrawal from the Chicago show, and has now stumbled to a reversal of that decision
2. Nissan Detroit dealers have decided to host a display of their own at the 2009 NAIAS, since Nissan already paid for the space in their infinite wisdom, but of course decided they were too almighty to bless lowly Detroit with the presence of Nissan wondercars
The Detroit area dealers were wise to step in for NAIAS. The Chinese would have moved upstairs in a heartbeat. As it is now, the Chinese brands are in the basement and a small smattering in the areas outside the main floor. I'd be willing to bet that had they taken the main floor floor space given up by NISSAN, they would hold on to it from now on.
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It doesn't matter how bad they do, or are doing...Their home country will prop them up indefinately, because unlike US, they understand how important their brands are, to their country!! Then even IF you find some hint they might be having trouble, Mr. Nissan will come in here to refute it.
Either your memory is at fault or you "missed" most of the late 1990s; especially 1999 when Nissan was perhaps days from filing bankruptcy.
No one, not Japan, not the U.S....no one came to their aid...they pulled themselves out of bankruptcy the way companies in a free market society are supposed to do it and went from days away from bankruptcy to being one of the top performing vehicle manufacturers (ROI) in the world.
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My congratulations to Nissan and Japan Inc. Yes, they have done well at crushing the competition (especially impressive, are their lopsided trade policies ), and they do have some good designs. Hooray for them. But it's their attitude that bugs me. Too good for Detroit? I don't think so
), and they do have some good designs. Hooray for them. But it's their attitude that bugs me. Too good for Detroit? I don't think so What part of the concept of saving money do you not understand?
For years now, the Detroit Three have been trying to borrow their way out of their financial mess and we see the results; I guess it's worked so well for them you think Nissan and should just spend money too; even if they have to borrow it???
And if Nissan, in your opinion, believes it's "too good for Detroit"; I suppose you feel the same about Suzuki, Ferrari, Land Rover, Rolls Royce, Mitsubishi and Porsche (which pulled out in '06 and apparently has no plans to return)?
I find it odd that with all your slights and quips and rolling of eyes about Nissan, you don't seem to have any problem with anyone else who has/is pulling out of NAIAS.
I wonder why that is???
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