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Old Jul 27, 2005 | 01:37 PM
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History lesson: Vega was a four-cylinder. Yes there were V8 swaps, and those little Vegas could be made into rockets, however, they didn't come that way from GM.

They already have a cheap econobox in the Chevy Aveo, so a "courier" like hatchback isn't warranted or needed. What is needed is aftermarket accessorizing if they want to attract a youth market. (Think Toyota and Scion.) For those with a little more $$$, there's always HHR.

I agree, a Cobalt convertible would be a cool idea. The only question is how much weight would need to be added to help its structural integrity? If it's a pig, it won't sell, plain and simple. Besides GM already has an affordable convertible in the Solstice/Sky. I'm guessing it may actually be cheaper to stretch Kappa into a 2+2 configuration that to cut the top off a Cobalt in the long run.

Lastly, a six figure supercar for each brand? If the Blue Devil actually makes it to production, Chevy will already have one. Besides, a $100,000 supercar doesn't automatically increase sales across the board. Do you think Porsche would have ever come up with the $40k Boxster if they were rolling in sales from the 911? While high end cars can make a larger margin, the volume of sales from low end cars make them much more desireable, even if they cut the profit margins down to a minimum.

And lastly, of course Z28 is king!
Old Jul 27, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NewbieWar
but obviously its worth it otherwise the H1 would not be in production (I am aware the millitary are good buyers of these vehicles and they are the reason Hummer is even alive)
Hummer is nothing but a GM fabricated brand to sell vehicles inspired by AM General's military vehicle. AM General produced the first "H1" (not known by that name) for public purchase following numerous requests by Arnold Schwarzenager, and for a rediculous price. GM, with its AM General ties picked up the ball and ran with it from there.

So is the military the "reason Hummer is alive?" Well, yeah, that's the point. People wanted that image. IIRC, sales have declined in the last couple years following the H2's successful launch.

Anyways, who cares what/if people in LA think.
Old Jul 27, 2005 | 10:13 PM
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If anybody needs a $250,000 supercar, its Cadillac. Premium brand, standard of the world, would fit right into their move into the luxury stratosphere with Benz.

What GM ought to do is quit selling to old people buying traditional luxury Cadillacs and put them into Buicks. Really nice $30,000 to $50,000 Buicks. This will allow Cadillac to focus more on the sport side of the equation and steal sales away from BMW, Benz, and Infiniti. Buick can steal sales away from Lexus, who make more traditional and boring luxury cars.

GM needs to build an affordable RWD, V8 Camaro for 20 to 35K. There also needs to be a convertible.

I also think they need a $20,000 to $25,000 small Kappa 2+2 Coupe and Sedan. These cars need to be a more practical Sky/Solstice, but should handle every bit as well as those two cars.

AWD for the G6 and Malibu would be nice too.
Old Jul 27, 2005 | 10:34 PM
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ok, here is the test..6 figure supercar?? we cant ever sell 5 figure SSR's and they are about as practicle as a they get

and where you live in not where the rest of America lives, and if they buy those supercars why would they "stoop" down to a Pontiac or Buick?
Old Jul 27, 2005 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
They already have a cheap econobox in the Chevy Aveo, so a "courier" like hatchback isn't warranted or needed. What is needed is aftermarket accessorizing if they want to attract a youth market. (Think Toyota and Scion.) For those with a little more $$$, there's always HHR.

I saw a yellow Aveo the other day. It looked like it was lowered with aftermarket wheels. You know what? It looked pretty cool. Especially when you figure the owner's got maybe 10 or 11 grand into it.





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And lastly, of course Z28 is king!
But of course.......
Old Jul 27, 2005 | 10:40 PM
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I would deffinatly agree that Caddy needs a large 7/S/A8 type car. Northstar making a retuned 350hp standard, and a V12 making 500ish.
But I also think that they need to get more gizmos in there other cars, especialy CTS and STS.

Also...im proud to be in someones sig...brings a tear to my eye.
Old Jul 27, 2005 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Do you think Porsche would have ever come up with the $40k Boxster if they were rolling in sales from the 911? While high end cars can make a larger margin, the volume of sales from low end cars make them much more desireable, even if they cut the profit margins down to a minimum.
Well Porsche still sells the 911 doesnt it? it must not be too bad of a deal... and if they didnt sell the 911, do you think anyone would really buy the POS boxster? They buy the boxter because of the super cars brand name... which is the advertisement GM could use....
Old Jul 28, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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this is APPLES TO ORANGES

no debate to this at all..the only supercars GM should have is Caddy for luxury and Chevy for a all out vette..thats it..

No Pontiac supercar, you can creat a halo car without going super luxury..
ford does it with the Mustang???????????????????????????????????
Old Jul 28, 2005 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Caps94ZODG
this is APPLES TO ORANGES

no debate to this at all..the only supercars GM should have is Caddy for luxury and Chevy for a all out vette..thats it..

No Pontiac supercar, you can creat a halo car without going super luxury..
ford does it with the Mustang???????????????????????????????????
but not everyone really wants a corvette. even if it is the blue devil for 100k+ the same body that someone could get for 40k seems like its a bit trendy. not that I wouldn't want a vette, but could you imagine an in ur face version of the zo6 by pontiac? If it were up to me, I'd take a pontiac over a chevy if its equipted the same, because pontiacs just look more agressive.
Old Jul 28, 2005 | 01:29 PM
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You, however, are one person. Just one person. If you were to look at the city you live in as being representative of the rest of the world, you would find yourself quite confused. What GM needs is class leading entries, eye catching, and appealing (the Aztek, after all, was kinda eye catching...but in a bad way) vehicles with features and power not found in competitors. Pricing needs to be competitive, and not rebated to that point. Quality does not NEED to be world class in say, the Aveo, but it SHOULD be atleast high class.
Also, Dealer support for things that the consumer wants. Have tons of option, but not to the point of redundancy. I've seen that if you have the options to make the car something the consumer truly wants, they will not only haggle less on the price, but generally come away from that sale with a totally higher outlook on all parties involved.
wow, hell of a ramble...
Old Jul 28, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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The Cien. Sixteen. Every rap, nba, nfl, all the guys with Escalades, would buy the 16 so fast it wouldn't matter what it cost. That Cien is more my style damn that thing would be sweet!
Old Jul 28, 2005 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Stealth 86 LSC
You, however, are one person. Just one person. If you were to look at the city you live in as being representative of the rest of the world, you would find yourself quite confused. What GM needs is class leading entries, eye catching, and appealing (the Aztek, after all, was kinda eye catching...but in a bad way) vehicles with features and power not found in competitors. Pricing needs to be competitive, and not rebated to that point. Quality does not NEED to be world class in say, the Aveo, but it SHOULD be atleast high class.
Also, Dealer support for things that the consumer wants. Have tons of option, but not to the point of redundancy. I've seen that if you have the options to make the car something the consumer truly wants, they will not only haggle less on the price, but generally come away from that sale with a totally higher outlook on all parties involved.
wow, hell of a ramble...
The city he lives in has many more poor people then rich. many more crap cars then super cars. They maybe more common then in other parts of the country but they are in no way as common as civics. He is exagerating.
Old Jul 28, 2005 | 03:07 PM
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Well Porsche still sells the 911 doesnt it? it must not be too bad of a deal... and if they didnt sell the 911, do you think anyone would really buy the POS boxster? They buy the boxter because of the super cars brand name... which is the advertisement GM could use....
And Chevrolet still sells the Corvette Z06.... and Cadillac still sells the XLR...

You give every impression that when they were handing out clues, you thought they meant the board game and said, "nah, I don't need one".
Old Jul 28, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Als Z
I would deffinatly agree that Caddy needs a large 7/S/A8 type car. Northstar making a retuned 350hp standard, and a V12 making 500ish.
But I also think that they need to get more gizmos in there other cars, especialy CTS and STS.

Also...im proud to be in someones sig...brings a tear to my eye.
don't get all misty eyed, just shoot some info my way about shows your club will be at(i'm in central nj by staten island)
i gotta agree here. caddy needs something like the new maserati 4 door(don't know the name, google it) something that offers class with a real kick in the a$$ for performance.
Old Jul 28, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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The city he lives in has many more poor people then rich. many more crap cars then super cars. They maybe more common then in other parts of the country but they are in no way as common as civics. He is exagerating.
sure certain parts of the city is different, does it matter that I work in an area where people have more grass next to their bed then they do in their front yard, yet they still can afford GTOs, Escalades, and Z06s all w/ the chromed rims... next to their rusted 70 something truck?

where I live, gated and gaurded comunity of million dollar mansions yes, i wish I could see more GM cars in the driveways of these home owners... But you know GM only offers a half a dozen models of cars that would appeal to these owners. and Mercedies BMW Volvo all have a better rep...Sure I dont exactly fit into the community. But GM would look great in a lot of driveways...
Of 750 homes, I know one owner with a vette, 4 owners with a ugly NSX...

Of course its a small market, but its a market non the less... and a lot of word of mouth advertisement goes with it, and it goes a long way.
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