The Camaro was for people who couldn't afford a Firebird. No doubt about it, the WS6 beats the SS hands down for looks. I think that's why some people here don't want the Firebird to return. But it will.


Pontiac needs excitement. The GTO doesn't do it. So it's time to bring back the legendary bird.

 

Ive never seen such a false statement before...

 

Well I 80% sure it is permanantly dead because I think it came from the mouth of Lutz himself and some others. Even then I understand where you are coming from but there also were probably a 1/10th of the people who wrote into GM asking to bring the Firedbird back. The Camaro has a bigger following and its going to be hard to justify bringing the bird back into the lineup with the GTO currently there which really isnt doing to badly. I think it was from GM blog though that they said the Firebird is possibly dead.

 

That blog is also quite old, and many of the plans at GM are changing on a daily basis so it seems. The GTO might be selling pretty well right now to what it was projected to, but things aren't looking up for it to continue to be in the Pontiac lineup in the following years.

 

So Im not crazy and it is in the blog somewhere, I tried searching it for a few minutes and couldn't find in which post but Im pretty sure it was said somewhere. If the Firebird does come back I believe they would try and make it very different on the exterior like mentioned before, one being retro and the other being modern. The worst thing GM could do in my opinion if they released the Camaro would be to create a firebird that would directly compete for its sales. Its like an election, you have 400 voters, you dont want to guys running in the same party under the same ideas because you wouldnt get 100 votes for candidate A, 100 for candidate B, 200 for Candidate C (Mustang,etc).

Thats one of my biggest problems with Gm is how they create a minivan and other types of cars for every division which directly compete against eachother and are all so close to each other.

 

I agree with the one retro one not theory. I think the main thing it comes down to is: What will replace the GTO when it is shelved, hopefully soon.

 

if the Camaro is a hit, you can be assured that there will be "another shot" car also on the market by another brand, as Mark LaNave likes to call it. The Firebird wont be far behind, if they didnt want to do rebadging the Sky wouldnt be in the mix... if they didnt want to do rebadging GMC would be eliminated. But there is a market for it. There are countless people who come to my Chevrolet store and really want an GMC Envoy because they dont like the tail lights of the Trail Blazer.

if GM could get another hit show like Knight Rider, or Smoky the Bandit, with a debut car their sales would be fantastic again, I mean look at the value of classic Chargers right now, I know friend who could easily get his sold for 100,000+... GM needs to advertise correctly, The matrix is probably the number 1 reason why Cadillac is doing well right now. That was fantastic advertising, you got to see every angle of the CTS and it was beautiful.

The GTO may be selling, but its only because GM cant offer something to compete with the mustang. the GTO is a slow dull version of the Vette, and in no way will ever be a flag ship like the TransAm or original GTO was. Perhaps if it was called something else, it might sell better... but a lot of people are pissed off about the GTO being named a GTO...

 

This is great thinking, look at the G6 and the Malibu, if GM could do that for the Camaro and Firebird it would have a tremendous effect, but somehow they must keep both of them true to their roots... for the 4th gen, the whole body was the same, true for the 3rd gens... just the grill and fin were different.

and the thing about the election, why do you think the democrates hate when nader runs? although he doesnt afiliate himself with the democrates he splits their vote

 

I think I have a solution to the "Pontiac needs excitement" argument.

Stop calling pontiac the excitement division. Just change the nickname. Then all the cars, no matter how borring will be perfect for pontiac.

 

You sir.......have a future at GM marketing.

 

IF Pontiac is still around when Camaro comes out....

and IF they get a new GTO...........


There would be no purpose in reskinning Camaro to get a Firebird. Why have a GTO sized Firebird if you have a GTO sized GTO?

 

I like the 4th gen Camaro looks over Firebirds (to boy racey - claddy for me).

3rd gens - About a toss up here. God a 92 Firehawk is DAMN sexy! heh

 

The GTO is not going to be around long, its already been canceled everywhere but here, why should we expect it to continue much beyond the camaros debut? The Trans Am is a flag ship for Pontiac like The corvette is for Chevrolet, when there is a Trans Am, most of the rest of Pontiac will be a performance inspired devision.

 

He is implying that if we get a reskinned Camaro for Pontiac, that with the current dimensions the new Camaro may be, a reskinned version of it would be more aptly named GTO.

 

not for me... I want something that says Trans Am on the side...
the car I'd most like to see is a next gen ws6... thats seriosuly something that would be hard to beat I think... the 98-02 WS6 are one of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen. Its just so Agressive, something that pontaic needs, look at the DAMN gto... that thing looks like a civic "go big" or "supersized me" with a v8 in it... pontiac is an agressive perfomanac devision, not just a reskinned bag of potatoes... although many people prefered the simplicity and the non racer boy version (camaro) I love my formula and really... really love the new ws6's...
if they could throw a firebird label and revive camaros sister, I will be in hog heaven.