MotorTrend test of 2011 GT Mustang
03-29-2010, 10:28 PM
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As far as magazine bench racing, it's always best to wait a bit until they have a chance to do a proper comparison. The magazine writers are only human, and they get caught up in the excitement of a new model like this just as you and I would.
I expect one of the Mustang magazines will put a stock GT into the mid 12s by driving it like they don't own it.
03-29-2010, 11:43 PM
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Why thank you, lovely lady! That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. 
I'm not biased although I may be a GM fan and a future owner (again)... But, I admit, it would be hard to say 'NO' to something that's a beaut machine, even if it has a blue oval on it!
I always get excited by new tech GMs and Fords.
I'm not biased although I may be a GM fan and a future owner (again)... But, I admit, it would be hard to say 'NO' to something that's a beaut machine, even if it has a blue oval on it!
I always get excited by new tech GMs and Fords.
Some of my happiest days (short of being a Mom) were spent at Friday night "run what ya brung," and Saturday night at the Pavilions (longest running continuous car show at the McDonalds at the Pavilions in Scottsdale), talking cars/trucks. I met alot of great people who were partial to all makes and models. So, when these "big announcements," and auto show reveals come out, I am like a kid in a candy store. It makes for great reading.
It is hilarious to see how vehemently people will defend their model of choice, even to the point of sounding pretty silly...... on both sides.
Price as tested is pretty steep: $39,750
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03-30-2010, 12:35 AM
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Hey, we may butt heads on occassion, but we are all enthusiasts......... right?? Right is right, and I was doomed to agree with you at some point.
Some of my happiest days (short of being a Mom) were spent at Friday night "run what ya brung," and Saturday night at the Pavilions (longest running continuous car show at the McDonalds at the Pavilions in Scottsdale), talking cars/trucks. I met alot of great people who were partial to all makes and models. So, when these "big announcements," and auto show reveals come out, I am like a kid in a candy store. It makes for great reading.
It is hilarious to see how vehemently people will defend their model of choice, even to the point of sounding pretty silly...... on both sides.
Some of my happiest days (short of being a Mom) were spent at Friday night "run what ya brung," and Saturday night at the Pavilions (longest running continuous car show at the McDonalds at the Pavilions in Scottsdale), talking cars/trucks. I met alot of great people who were partial to all makes and models. So, when these "big announcements," and auto show reveals come out, I am like a kid in a candy store. It makes for great reading.
It is hilarious to see how vehemently people will defend their model of choice, even to the point of sounding pretty silly...... on both sides.
I've been questioning my participation on this forum considering Camaro won't be coming downunder... I guess the 'child' in me keeps me coming back... almost involuntarily.
Really, I hope the Ford V8 is great news because it would make GM try harder to win us over.
03-30-2010, 01:19 AM
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Just as you covet being able to buy a Camaro downunder, there are many in the US who covet being able to buy Holdens and Ford Falcons.
We always want what we cannot have.
As for the competition, everyone wins. That is why I think the serious arguing is so ridiculous. The funny rib poking on both sides is great, but many get very carried away. There is a good reason why I continue to post here, and have completely stopped posting on GMI.
I will say, though, that those who get really carried away, do usually illicit the biggest laughs from me. It is kind of in that "wow, that was so sad as to be hilarious," kind of thing.
I will be curious to see if GM has anything for 2011, short of the options additions that we already know about. I know they are talking about upping some power on the V6 model, but it is gonna take alot of upping, to outdo the V6 Mustang, at this point. On the V8 front, I would question why even bother. A few tenths one way or another.......... who really cares. The reality is, most people can't come close to the limits of their stock vehicle (my X husband would run low 14's in my low 13's Mustang).......... and it doesn't matter if it is a Camaro, Mustang, Vette, Challenger, or Cobalt.
We always want what we cannot have.
As for the competition, everyone wins. That is why I think the serious arguing is so ridiculous. The funny rib poking on both sides is great, but many get very carried away. There is a good reason why I continue to post here, and have completely stopped posting on GMI.
I will say, though, that those who get really carried away, do usually illicit the biggest laughs from me. It is kind of in that "wow, that was so sad as to be hilarious," kind of thing.
I will be curious to see if GM has anything for 2011, short of the options additions that we already know about. I know they are talking about upping some power on the V6 model, but it is gonna take alot of upping, to outdo the V6 Mustang, at this point. On the V8 front, I would question why even bother. A few tenths one way or another.......... who really cares. The reality is, most people can't come close to the limits of their stock vehicle (my X husband would run low 14's in my low 13's Mustang).......... and it doesn't matter if it is a Camaro, Mustang, Vette, Challenger, or Cobalt.
03-30-2010, 01:54 AM
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I will be curious to see if GM has anything for 2011, short of the options additions that we already know about. I know they are talking about upping some power on the V6 model, but it is gonna take alot of upping, to outdo the V6 Mustang, at this point. On the V8 front, I would question why even bother. A few tenths one way or another.......... who really cares. The reality is, most people can't come close to the limits of their stock vehicle (my X husband would run low 14's in my low 13's Mustang).......... and it doesn't matter if it is a Camaro, Mustang, Vette, Challenger, or Cobalt.
Now it will come down to other decision points, like styling, interior space and finish, handling, features, deal, etc. Even if GM manages to find another 20hp on either engine, I don't think that will make a significant difference (but it won't hurt
), because Ford found 100hp for 2011.The real loser is the Challenger, where the SRT8 is rendered a pointless waste of fuel and the R/T is left to battle the V6 Mustang. It was never really in this fight anyway, being closer to what the Thunderbird or Mark VIII was in the 90s.
03-30-2010, 04:25 AM
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What on earth?!?! Those are GT500 numbers on street tires! I think those who are expecting mid 12s from a magazine review are asking WAY too much. Like I stated, Magazines are are running mid to high 12's in the GT500, trapping in the teens. The Mustang GT is not going to run with the GT500.
Compared to the Camaro, the Mustang is a few hundred pounds lighter, has similar power and thus should be a few tenths quicker in the quarter.
Compared to the Camaro, the Mustang is a few hundred pounds lighter, has similar power and thus should be a few tenths quicker in the quarter.
Most drivers of these cars will never pilot them down a 1/4 mile track...but it makes for good conversation.
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03-30-2010, 04:44 AM
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Ever since the LT1 Camaro debuted in 1993, the engine has been a reason to buy a Camaro Z28/SS instead of a Mustang GT. For one year, that applied to the base models too. Starting in 2011, the Camaro holds that edge no longer.
Now it will come down to other decision points, like styling, interior space and finish, handling, features, deal, etc. Even if GM manages to find another 20hp on either engine, I don't think that will make a significant difference (but it won't hurt), because Ford found 100hp for 2011.
The real loser is the Challenger, where the SRT8 is rendered a pointless waste of fuel and the R/T is left to battle the V6 Mustang. It was never really in this fight anyway, being closer to what the Thunderbird or Mark VIII was in the 90s.
Now it will come down to other decision points, like styling, interior space and finish, handling, features, deal, etc. Even if GM manages to find another 20hp on either engine, I don't think that will make a significant difference (but it won't hurt
), because Ford found 100hp for 2011.The real loser is the Challenger, where the SRT8 is rendered a pointless waste of fuel and the R/T is left to battle the V6 Mustang. It was never really in this fight anyway, being closer to what the Thunderbird or Mark VIII was in the 90s.
We have a Falcon 4.0L turbo in Oz that would simply hose the LS3 HSVs in a straight line. I consider the Ecoboost at least as good as the 4.0L T (which will be phased out in a few years in favor of the Ecoboost V6).
Having said that, a lot of people (me included) just don't want forced induction... and that's why we love our V8s because ultimate performance or even superior fuel economy is immaterial. Nothing but a strong normally aspirated V8 will do.
And if we had the Challenger in Oz, I'd be buying one purely for its V8 muscle car values, even if it's slightly on the heavy and thirsty side.
03-30-2010, 07:43 AM
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What on earth?!?! Those are GT500 numbers on street tires! I think those who are expecting mid 12s from a magazine review are asking WAY too much. Like I stated, Magazines are are running mid to high 12's in the GT500, trapping in the teens. The Mustang GT is not going to run with the GT500.
Compared to the Camaro, the Mustang is a few hundred pounds lighter, has similar power and thus should be a few tenths quicker in the quarter.
Compared to the Camaro, the Mustang is a few hundred pounds lighter, has similar power and thus should be a few tenths quicker in the quarter.
03-30-2010, 10:56 AM
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What on earth?!?! Those are GT500 numbers on street tires! I think those who are expecting mid 12s from a magazine review are asking WAY too much. Like I stated, Magazines are are running mid to high 12's in the GT500, trapping in the teens. The Mustang GT is not going to run with the GT500.
Compared to the Camaro, the Mustang is a few hundred pounds lighter, has similar power and thus should be a few tenths quicker in the quarter.
Compared to the Camaro, the Mustang is a few hundred pounds lighter, has similar power and thus should be a few tenths quicker in the quarter.
It's the first test. The Camaro didn't hit 12.9 right away either.
As far as magazine bench racing, it's always best to wait a bit until they have a chance to do a proper comparison. The magazine writers are only human, and they get caught up in the excitement of a new model like this just as you and I would.
I expect one of the Mustang magazines will put a stock GT into the mid 12s by driving it like they don't own it.
As far as magazine bench racing, it's always best to wait a bit until they have a chance to do a proper comparison. The magazine writers are only human, and they get caught up in the excitement of a new model like this just as you and I would.
I expect one of the Mustang magazines will put a stock GT into the mid 12s by driving it like they don't own it.
The problem is we have a thread full of people who are upset the Mustang beat the Camaro so now we will constantly hear every excuse as to why it should really be faster than the times they are putting down even though it beats the Camaro in every category. I find it funny that people can't accept that Ford out did Chevy so now the story is why didn't it beat it more than it did and then it will soon go off the end to the well i can add xxx to my Camaro and still beat it. The times posted for the Mustang are the very first tests put up and it runs a 12.8 the times everyone is using for the Camaro is the very best I have ever heard of 12.9 when the avg times I have seen are 13 flat and above, it's nice to cherry pick the absolute best but wait til the Mustang gets a few miles and the engine gets broken in and this thing gets a proper track test 12.6's maybe?
FYI, Motortrend ripped off a 13.0@111 in the one the very first roadtests of the 2010 SS exactly 1 year ago.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._ss_model.html
That type of performance out of a fatboy car like the SS can only point to the 2011 GT with its hyped 412hp (now 420+ according to dynos) and 260lb weight advantage, SRA, perfectly geared 6spd, etc ,etc... easily EASILY being in the mid 12s at 115. But no, it's a high 12 car around 110.8.
UNDERWHELMING. And OVERHYPED.
03-30-2010, 11:42 AM
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FYI, Motortrend ripped off a 13.0@111 in the one the very first roadtests of the 2010 SS exactly 1 year ago.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._ss_model.html
That type of performance out of a fatboy car like the SS can only point to the 2011 GT with its hyped 412hp (now 420+ according to dynos) and 260lb weight advantage, SRA, perfectly geared 6spd, etc ,etc... easily EASILY being in the mid 12s at 115. But no, it's a high 12 car around 110.8.
UNDERWHELMING. And OVERHYPED.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._ss_model.html
That type of performance out of a fatboy car like the SS can only point to the 2011 GT with its hyped 412hp (now 420+ according to dynos) and 260lb weight advantage, SRA, perfectly geared 6spd, etc ,etc... easily EASILY being in the mid 12s at 115. But no, it's a high 12 car around 110.8.
UNDERWHELMING. And OVERHYPED.
I can't wait till more head to heads come out. Reading this kind of dejected fanboyism drivel is entertainment at it's finest. God forbid mustang outsell camaro this year. You'll probably all commit mass suicide.
03-30-2010, 11:51 AM
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This is just getting ludicrous. Are you high? Forget to take your medication? Or really just that upset that the even more hyped camaro and its vaunted LS3 can't beat this mustang in a magazine test so you have to resort to the ridiculous WELL IT DIDN'T BEAT IT BAD ENOUGH bull****.
I can't wait till more head to heads come out. Reading this kind of dejected fanboyism drivel is entertainment at it's finest. God forbid mustang outsell camaro this year. You'll probably all commit mass suicide.
I can't wait till more head to heads come out. Reading this kind of dejected fanboyism drivel is entertainment at it's finest. God forbid mustang outsell camaro this year. You'll probably all commit mass suicide.
I think it's ridiculous to point at initial magazine tests to make snap decisions about the 2011's performance. All the numbers would seem to indicate it's a mid-12 second car in "good" hands. The trap speed is a bit concerning as most dopes can still pull decent MPH. Still, I think you're going to see more reports of mid-12s as we go along....
03-30-2010, 11:55 AM
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This is just getting ludicrous. Are you high? Forget to take your medication? Or really just that upset that the even more hyped camaro and its vaunted LS3 can't beat this mustang in a magazine test so you have to resort to the ridiculous WELL IT DIDN'T BEAT IT BAD ENOUGH bull****.
I can't wait till more head to heads come out. Reading this kind of dejected fanboyism drivel is entertainment at it's finest. God forbid mustang outsell camaro this year. You'll probably all commit mass suicide.
I can't wait till more head to heads come out. Reading this kind of dejected fanboyism drivel is entertainment at it's finest. God forbid mustang outsell camaro this year. You'll probably all commit mass suicide.
03-30-2010, 12:04 PM
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Then that's even weirder. Guess he forgot his meds this morning. But i'll be damned if he didn't sound exactly like one of the dejected fanboys in this and the other threads.
As for his hopes, 115mph seems a bit of a stretch. I could see 112, maybe a little better if you're powershifting the hell out of it and / or some really good air.
As for the ETs, it ain't easy cutting good 60's with lots of power on street tires. Especially at normal tire pressure and likely with no burnout as most major mags would run.
As for his hopes, 115mph seems a bit of a stretch. I could see 112, maybe a little better if you're powershifting the hell out of it and / or some really good air.
As for the ETs, it ain't easy cutting good 60's with lots of power on street tires. Especially at normal tire pressure and likely with no burnout as most major mags would run.