If anyone tries to rub this in my face, I have plenty that I can throw back in theirs.

Are you serious? That's not funny. It makes perfect sense.

Oh, I get it, you're just trying to stir up trouble.

 

I'm sure the Cadillac was/is a perfect car.

 

I'm still waiting to hear which new car you guys would award car of the year to?

The cars up for the award this year were:
* Acura TL
* Acura TSX
* Audi A4
* BMW 1 Series
* Dodge Challenger
* Honda Fit
* Hyundai Genesis
* Jaguar XF
* Lincoln MKS
* Mazda6
* Nissan GT-R
* Nissan Maxima
* Pontiac G8
* Pontiac Vibe
* Toyota Corolla
* Toyota Matrix
* Volkswagen CC

I think the Hyundai Genesis was a major break through for Hyundai and is a really well put together car. The Volkswagen CC is also pretty unique. The GTR definitely stands out in my eyes though as the most deserving.

 

No, just trying to point out the hypocrisy.

There are plenty of people on this site who claim that all the magazines are rags and not worth reading; yet change their tune when those "rags" say something they agree with.

 

Its Motor Trend. Does anyone actually expect anything different out of them?

 

Personally I'd pick the Jaguar XF (its truly an amazing machine), but in all actuality I agree with you on the Hyundai Genesis.

 

The Cadillac is a main stream car. Why not just give it to a Ferrari or Lambo?

I believe this comment sums it up best:
The Hyundai Genesis would have been a far better choice.

 

Going to remove the sugar coating and remind everyone that this is only my opinion. Disregard as you see fit. The Cadillac is a better car that stands out in it's segment for positive reasons. The GTR does stand out but as the laughing stock of the true performance car market and as a butt *** ugly POS that can't keep it's transmission in one piece.

Perfect no not really. Better....certainly is when viewed in the segment it competes in.

 

I think the Hyundai Genesis was the most significant new car launched in the industry this year. It's a blockbusting car that genuinely competes with many cars costing 50% more in effectively every measure.

However I also can assure you that the GT-R would sell twice as many copies which is 90% of what what car mags care about.

 

Main stream? Based on what? Certainly not based on price.

The CTS' base MSRP is over $36K and goes up to over $59K...with the average family income in the U.S. in the mid $45k/year range, a $36K car is "main stream" only for those tho can't do math or who no longer ask "how much" and only ask "how much per month".

If your quoted statement "sums it up best" (with the main criticism being "price") then the criticism applies well to the CTS as well (by the way, the guy who wrote the statement you quote has either never actually shopped for a GT-R or he's living on a different planet...any dealer who charges $120K for a $70K car and any buyer who buys one at that price deserve each other - a GT-R was easily available at or near MSRP [within $5K] for anybody who cared to do some shopping).

As the the Genesis; it seems to be a very good car; especially for the money and is a huge step forward for Hyundai but hardly breaks any new ground for a four-door "luxury" sedan.

 

I love the XF but at over $66K base MSRP; it isn't "main stream" enough; at least not per mdenz3's criteria.

 

I'm sure it can do what the manufacturer claims it can do in the hands of its owners without catastrophic drivetrain failure.

 

It breaks new ground because of what a value it is. The car is priced $15k below any other car that offers a similiar level of luxury. Not to mention that it is such a ground breaking car for Hyundai as well.

 

It's funny how people will jump on anything on the internet when it fits their already formed opinions.

The GT-R does exactly what it was designed to do and does it well; the one major transmission failure "claimed" is by one owner who says he turned on launch control a couple of times and his transmission suddenly imploded...I've yet to see any credible evidence that his story is true...more level headed folks; even those who don't necessarily like the GT-R believe, as does Nissan, that this guy was abusing his transmission big time and when it blue up; went crying to his dealer and then crying on the internet when Nissan refused to replace the tranny.

That isn't to say that there can't be transmission problems with the GT-R or that owners haven't had any issues but nothing documented has suggested that the GT-R's tranny is anywhere near as fragile as the car's detractors want to claim it is.

 

Check your numbers. MSRP on the XF Luxury (the base model) is just under $50K. Furthermore Jaguar is currently offering 60-month 0% financing on it, making it more "affordable" (if one can use that term for a $50K luxury car).