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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 03:55 PM
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Another article on 395 rwhp:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/25/v...ustang-gt-5-0/
Old Mar 29, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Did they test the Camaro alongside the Mustang on the same day at the same time on the same track? If not, then I wouldn't put too much stock a single test of one compared to a single test of another in different circumstances.

To the best of my knowledge (and that's not very good at the moment), only one side-by-side has been done so far (1/8th mile).

Time and real cars in the hands of real owners will tell.
Yeah, I think you are right and that one comparison was garbage. The driver got a darn 2.5x 60' time in the Camaro and a 2.1x in the Mustang making comparing the results worthless in my mind. Not to mention the author kept repeating the reaction times and talking about them as if they mattered to the results Props to the mag for posting their 2.5x 60' time though. I would have been way to embarassed to ever post that. SURELY, they could have done better. The cars wear the same tires, Camaro's are wider, Camaro has better weight distribution, and the Camaro has relatively newby friendly gearing.

There will be some heads-up tests I am sure. I think the Mustang edges out the Camaro as we have yet to see very good numbers from the Camaro in the hands of the magazines. A 12.8 from the first major mag to test the Mustang is already quicker than the best mag time we have seen for the Camaro.

I am more curious to see what actual owners run.

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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ZZtop
Yeah, I think you are right and that one comparison was garbage. The driver got a darn 2.5x 60' time in the Camaro and a 2.1x in the Mustang making comparing the results worthless in my mind. Not to mention the author kept repeating the reaction times and talking about them as if they mattered to the results Props to the mag for posting their 2.5x 60' time though. I would have been way to embarassed to ever post that. SURELY, they could have done better. The cars wear the same tires, Camaro's are wider, Camaro has better weight distribution, and the Camaro has relatively newby friendly gearing.

There will be some heads-up tests I am sure. I think the Mustang edges out the Camaro as we have yet to see very good numbers from the Camaro in the hands of the magazines. A 12.8 from the first major mag to test the Mustang is already quicker than the best mag time we have seen for the Camaro.

I am more curious to see what actual owners run.
look at the MPH in th 1/8th though. That shows that this Mustang completely destroyed this Camaro on that day. spinning out affects MPH a lil bit, but not by THAT much
Old Mar 29, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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Ya....I quit reading after I saw him quote 60 fts along with reaction times. As it relates to drag racing and finding out what a car is capable of, his (and the site he posts on) credibility went sub-zero at that point.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 06:58 AM
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look at the MPH in th 1/8th though. That shows that this Mustang completely destroyed this Camaro on that day. spinning out affects MPH a lil bit, but not by THAT much
But was that 2.5x 60' a bad bog, a bad spin and then bog, etc. A bad launch affects mph hugely in the 1/8th. And why did they post the mph, but not the ET's?

2.5x 60' = you don't know what the F you are doing.

Thats the kind of launch, or lack there of, where you shut her down and coast through the traps. A wasted and worthless pass where you don't beat on your equipment.

Agreed Bob, all credibility out the window. But hey, atleast they took the cars to a track and tried to do a real heads-up comparison. Too bad they failed pretty miserably.

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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 08:49 AM
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But was that 2.5x 60' a bad bog, a bad spin and then bog, etc. A bad launch affects mph hugely in the 1/8th. And why did they post the mph, but not the ET's?

2.5x 60' = you don't know what the F you are doing.
2.5 60'?

Sounds like a WFO dump launch with traction control still on.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 09:55 AM
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2.5 60'?

Sounds like a WFO dump launch with traction control still on.
Both cars were auto's. Maybe the Camaro needed the auto tranny fix a lot of people have been complaining about with sluggish response.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 10:22 AM
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Both cars were auto's. Maybe the Camaro needed the auto tranny fix a lot of people have been complaining about with sluggish response.
Can't comment about any "fix". Not something I'm aware of.

I can't see how any notion of "sluggish" response could have any effect on 60 foot times.

Stall speed? Maybe.

Flash RPM? Maybe.

IMO, a 2.5 60 foot is bog or wheelspin related. Not trans programming related.

IOW, driver error or miscalculation.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 02:22 PM
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Now Edmunds has tested both cars together:

2011 Mustang GT (with optional 3.73): 13.0 @ 110.6

2010 Camaro SS: 13.0 @ 110.8

Also of note, the Mustang GT requires nearly a $5000 premium over the Camaro SS to be similarly equipped.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Now Edmunds has tested both cars together:

2011 Mustang GT (with optional 3.73): 13.0 @ 110.6

2010 Camaro SS: 13.0 @ 110.8
That's a joke. Is the Camaro really that much easier to launch? Something doesn't add up.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Now Edmunds has tested both cars together:

2011 Mustang GT (with optional 3.73): 13.0 @ 110.6

2010 Camaro SS: 13.0 @ 110.8

Also of note, the Mustang GT requires nearly a $5000 premium over the Camaro SS to be similarly equipped.
Do you have a link to the comparison?

The part about the $5,000 premium is not true, I have recently had this debate and done the research. Spec them similarly and they are virtually even (GT Premium with brembo's and 3.73 gears vs. Camaro 2SS RS). However, if you add 19" wheels to the Mustang (which I can't confim are required with the Brembo's) then the Mustang is a little more.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Now Edmunds has tested both cars together:

2011 Mustang GT (with optional 3.73): 13.0 @ 110.6

2010 Camaro SS: 13.0 @ 110.8

Also of note, the Mustang GT requires nearly a $5000 premium over the Camaro SS to be similarly equipped.
link to article?
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 03:18 PM
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wait, i am new to this scene, but all that power, and not be able to touch 12 is pretty bad imo.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 03:35 PM
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See, they are running identical MPH's. This seems like it will be a drivers race until hopefully the Camaro ups the ante with a "Track Pack" of its own.

Also, this is one of the reasons why I just made my last payment on my Performabuilt Level 2 4L60e and purchased my FAST 36# injectors a half hour ago. No way in hell I'm letting my LT1 get shown up by these $40,000 newbies.
Old Mar 30, 2010 | 03:53 PM
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See, they are running identical MPH's.
This is the thing that I don't get. ET's are driver-based, traps should be reflective of the car's power and potential. Again, something doesn't add up. The car is over 200 pounds lighter, has the optional 3.73's, an SRA which should be advantageous for launch, and is within 15 HP if you believe the advertised ratings.

Also, this is one of the reasons why I just made my last payment on my Performabuilt Level 2 4L60e and purchased my FAST 36# injectors a half hour ago. No way in hell I'm letting my LT1 get shown up by these $40,000 newbies.
I hope you're bringing more than a built A4 and some injectors....



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