It's Official: 2011 Ford Mustang GT has 5.0-liter V8
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It seems to me that the coyote is (comparatively speaking) in a "higher" state of tune which was pretty obvious lokin at its hp/L . Its great from a factory perfomrance perspective, but all the guys running around dreaming of 100 hp/L bolt on coyote 5.0s are gonna be disappointed.
All in all its a pretty nice piece and its set up for forced induction and DI down the road without the need to go to an upgraded block.
All in all its a pretty nice piece and its set up for forced induction and DI down the road without the need to go to an upgraded block.
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It seems to me that the coyote is (comparatively speaking) in a "higher" state of tune which was pretty obvious lokin at its hp/L . Its great from a factory perfomrance perspective, but all the guys running around dreaming of 100 hp/L bolt on coyote 5.0s are gonna be disappointed.
All in all its a pretty nice piece and its set up for forced induction and DI down the road without the need to go to an upgraded block.
All in all its a pretty nice piece and its set up for forced induction and DI down the road without the need to go to an upgraded block.
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From: SeVa
Gotta run to work - but Ford used a neat trick with the injectors (and something i've been wondering about for a long time) to compensate for the loww speed operation issues.
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Im assuming theyre planning on revving really high then? the engine hits hp peak at 6500 rpm with 420 hp. to get 450+ hp theyre gonna have to peak at 7000 rpm or higher. where are they gonna pull the power out of? the engine already makes a pretty high tq/displacement so improving that is gonna get tough. theyre gonna have to shift the torque curve UP in the RPM band away from low end power. is there room for more displacement? I don't see them hitting 475 like some people are saying unless they start to spin it really high...
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However..Mustang and Camaro are sub compacts...in right around the same class as Pinto, Escort, Cavalier, or whatever. Back in the day, on the lower level models, Camaro and Mustang cost right around what a competing subcompact/compact cost. My point is..it was much easier for someone shopping for a compact, or subcompact to get into a Mustang or Camaro than it is today. Because of that Mustang especially had a base of people who bought it simply as a commuter car that was also sporty. In 1984..my mom had a choice between a Mustang and Escort because they were in the same class..and had similar prices. THAT DOES NOT EXIST WITH TODAY's MUSTANG.
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Based on?
At least the easy things like header and airbox probably won't get much. Smog legal methods that don't involve forced induction should be a lot harder with the VVT, headers, and optimized airflow that Ford has. It's not like an LS1 where cam, headers, and lid swaps can easily be done to add a lot of horsepower.
A supercharger will be a different story....
At least the easy things like header and airbox probably won't get much. Smog legal methods that don't involve forced induction should be a lot harder with the VVT, headers, and optimized airflow that Ford has. It's not like an LS1 where cam, headers, and lid swaps can easily be done to add a lot of horsepower.
A supercharger will be a different story....
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I think we are REALLY speculating now. Noone here knows how much simple "bolt-ons" will add to this engine. Doubtful that you'll see LS3-type gains, and things like changing cams are absolutely more complex than a OHV motor, but what headers, intake, tune, etc will or won't add is pure 199 proof speculation.
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I think we are REALLY speculating now. Noone here knows how much simple "bolt-ons" will add to this engine. Doubtful that you'll see LS3-type gains, and things like changing cams are absolutely more complex than a OHV motor, but what headers, intake, tune, etc will or won't add is pure 199 proof speculation.
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I think we are REALLY speculating now. Noone here knows how much simple "bolt-ons" will add to this engine. Doubtful that you'll see LS3-type gains, and things like changing cams are absolutely more complex than a OHV motor, but what headers, intake, tune, etc will or won't add is pure 199 proof speculation.
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Im assuming theyre planning on revving really high then? the engine hits hp peak at 6500 rpm with 420 hp. to get 450+ hp theyre gonna have to peak at 7000 rpm or higher. where are they gonna pull the power out of? the engine already makes a pretty high tq/displacement so improving that is gonna get tough. theyre gonna have to shift the torque curve UP in the RPM band away from low end power. is there room for more displacement? I don't see them hitting 475 like some people are saying unless they start to spin it really high...
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Isn't that the one that's supposed to have DI? That's not the sort of mod I expect to see from tuners.
I'm sure there'll be some gains to be had by increasing noise or emissions.
I actually think it's good that Ford pushed it as hard as they did. There's no reason to leave easy gains on the table any more.
I'm sure there'll be some gains to be had by increasing noise or emissions.
I actually think it's good that Ford pushed it as hard as they did. There's no reason to leave easy gains on the table any more.
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Isn't that the one that's supposed to have DI? That's not the sort of mod I expect to see from tuners.
I'm sure there'll be some gains to be had by increasing noise or emissions.
I actually think it's good that Ford pushed it as hard as they did. There's no reason to leave easy gains on the table any more.
I'm sure there'll be some gains to be had by increasing noise or emissions.
I actually think it's good that Ford pushed it as hard as they did. There's no reason to leave easy gains on the table any more.