I certainly hope you're right....

As if E-Flex could have a performance aspect (I can't wait)

FWIW I think Pontiac will still get the G8 ST.

 

I'll throw some more water on this fire;

What if the Solstice finally becomes a true Pontiac halo and the rumored Alpha based Firebird takes its place as the affordable convertible/coupe?

Pure speculation, but still...

 

I still think Zeta is far from stillborn. We had 5 confirmed Zetas, 4 of which are still on as far as I know. 2 rumored Zetas, 1 of which has been cancelled (G8 wagon) and one that has been added (Crewman concept)

Then we had the GTO/Monaro program that apparently was whispered but never confirmed, a couple more rumored Cadillacs and Buicks which probably only had a 25% chance of materializing anyway.

However, I don't think Zeta will be the future GM RWD architecture. Let us pray that Alpha will fit a V8, otherwise I'll be shopping somewhere else.

 

I agree. And I also hope this newly re-defined Alpha, has a version that can accommodate a V8.

 

Please elaborate. I'm sure this'll be good.....

 

I'd like to hear this too, probably be a hoot.

 

I can't see exactly what point BigDarknfast is gonna make...but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that (nothing against you at all; just a personal observation)...by creating threads like these (the 'what if' doom-and-gloom senarios) it sure seems to me as though you want the Camaro to fail, especially after the whole interior incident.

 

Oh dear Lord Dragoneye, what flavor is your Kool-aid? Because I said I don't like the Camaro's instrument cluster - that means I want it to fail? Is that what you're saying?

Lemme tell you something - I've been here just abit longer than you, so perhaps you're just innocently clueless as to how much I DON'T want Camaro to fail. I'll give you that benefit of the doubt - this time. Because if this one goes away- pack your bags boys - this car is history, and I just don't mean hiatus.

I'm not sure exactly what you've been doing the past 6-7-8 years, but I've been exerting as much influence and energy as any individual can, along with scores of others, in order to bring back the Camaro. So please spare me the "nothing against you" bullsh!t - because I consider that all about "against me" and a personal insult.

As far as BD&F, he's a big boy and can speak for himself. But review his last 10 or 20 posts and I'll bet you'll see some semblence of an agenda.

 

Well, hey - I really meant the 'nothing against you'. Sorry you don't think I did.

I may not have been here very long - but don't for one second I haven't heard this same tune other places. It's just that, lately most of the posts I've read from you are usually pointing out some aspect of the Camaro that you don't like, and why you don't like it. Now - that all gets filed under the 'whatever' category by me, I have no intentions of changing, or arguing anybody's opinions (that's dumb). I just don't understand all the negative floating around here....(and no, I'm not a happy-go-lucky kinda person chasing rainbows and ponies)

(Oh, and you can stow the 'I've been here longer than you' stuff - I knew that from the start; that's why I'm asking this - there's no f'n way I'm goin' through 12,000+ posts)

So if that's what it is - things you feel will kill this car, so you point them out every opportunity you get, in the hopes that the team changes them - then I guess I can follow the logic in that.


That's that; and the last time you'll hear me ask that of you. I felt the need to understand the reasons behind your posts (because truth be told, I was starting to believe you were just another 'hater' who's gonna **** all over this car). And I'm not afraid to shout "Wtf!?!?" when I need to. So now I understand, thank you.



Oh....and I like blue Cool-Aid

 

Okay, we're cool.


I'm partial to cherry myself...

 

Awesome.


Now, as for the topic at hand...I don't feel as though it would be a loss at all if the Camaro were to move to Alpha after a while...Rumor has it that the platform was designed to accommodate a V8, but wasn't built around it as the primary engine.

Alpha would make for a 'smaller' Camaro, therefore more nimble - and possibly provide a less-expensive architecture choice, because it's supposed to underpin a great many cars.....now, what other platform was that supposed to happen with? (hasn't it recently ping-ponged back and forth between Chevy, Pontiac, and Caddy in the rumor-mill?)

Anyways...I still don't think that Camaro will be the last Zeta - and if it is, it'll only be if they're canceling the platform to update the vehicles it holds to a new one, IMO.

Somebody said something about E-flex and performance...instant torque? Completely straight acceleration curve due to no gears (afaik)? I'd say it already has some performance value in it. now just gotta get bigger batteries......

 

LOL.

I think Z284ever is probably one of the biggest proponents of the new Camaro that I can remember (and that even goes back to when the F4 was phased out)

 

What 4 are still "on" . I was talking north america only ....and concepts dont count . AFAIK the Camaro is the only US Zeta that is 100% without a doubt going into production . I didnt count the G8 either , because its imported . I still think outside the Camaro and the 4-door G8 , Zeta>the sound crickets for the US .

I will be at the autoshow tomorrow , hopefully the CTS coupe will be visible enuff to see underneath it .

 

Z284ever, I can't help but think you're asking for the world of Alpha. I hope you will not be disappointed, but I fear you will be....

 

Just some speculation:

G8 and Ute production moves to Oshawa. 1 more Zeta added, probably a Buick. This would fill out Oshawa production. It would also seem to make the most business sense, since you don't have the cost of shipping and currency issues.

Eventually, Sigma and Zeta are combined/merged into or replaced by one platform.

This leaves 2 RWD/AWD car platforms - small to medium (alpha) and medium to large (Zeta/Sigma replacement).