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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 08:43 AM
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And someone said the 2005 Mustang will have an IRS. Nope, sorry. It will have a live axle. Ford must be a bunch of dumbasses, but slightly smarter than GM. Their muscle car is still around.

I thought that the 2005 Mustang was on the Lincoln LS platform? Isn't the Lincoln LS platform an IRS?
Ford stated to keep the 6 cylinder car under $20K it would not have IRS . And get this , the cheif eng. on the mustang program said " The other core customers concerned about keeping a rugged , simple live axle are the mustang enthusiasts who evaluate performance a 1/4 mile at a time . For drag racers the live rear axles anvil like toughness and relative ease of changing rear end ratios far outweigh the handling and ride advantages of IRS."

Higher end Mustangs will STILL have IRS .
Old Jan 11, 2003 | 09:41 AM
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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 10:19 AM
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4 Doors or not, if that's what it takes for the Camaro to be successful, so be it. I think it's sweet looking. It looks much better from a side profile.

Thank god you are not on GM's board of design. 4doors
Old Jan 11, 2003 | 03:06 PM
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Ford stated to keep the 6 cylinder car under $20K it would not have IRS . And get this , the cheif eng. on the mustang program said " The other core customers concerned about keeping a rugged , simple live axle are the mustang enthusiasts who evaluate performance a 1/4 mile at a time . For drag racers the live rear axles anvil like toughness and relative ease of changing rear end ratios far outweigh the handling and ride advantages of IRS."

Higher end Mustangs will STILL have IRS .
I'm well aware of that. Also, keep in mind that the chief engineer must have been watching too much of TF&TF, because I don't know many people that live their lives "1/4 mile at a time."

There should AT LEAST be an option to get an IRS on the GT for those who can't afford a Cobra. Ford's IRS is probably one of the worst in the game, but at least it bolts up to the same points on the current platform as the live axle does.
Old Jan 11, 2003 | 03:13 PM
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Thank god you are not on GM's board of design. 4doors
Hey, well if you can't see the doorhandles, who cares? Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer it to be a 2dr model also, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if it had half-doors like Saturns did or something else to make the car more useful.

I think it's an awesome looking car, aside from the RX-8 frontend that needs to go.
Old Jan 11, 2003 | 05:47 PM
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Hey, well if you can't see the doorhandles, who cares?
Hey....you're not too picky, are you?
Old Jan 11, 2003 | 06:25 PM
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THat car looks HOT! I'd say LS1 Camaro meets '70 Camaro in the front. kind of looks like an Aston Martin from the profile.
Old Jan 11, 2003 | 06:48 PM
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Hey, well if you can't see the doorhandles, who cares? Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer it to be a 2dr model also, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if it had half-doors like Saturns did or something else to make the car more useful.

I think it's an awesome looking car, aside from the RX-8 frontend that needs to go.
It's not some puss family sedan or compac car,that's why.Why do you think that there are no traditional 4dr muscle cars/hotrods,NOBODY wants them-me included.That would be the ultimate insult to Camaro fans.

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Old Jan 11, 2003 | 08:16 PM
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I would love for the fbody to have a live axle on the SS and an IRS on the Z28, that'd be a great way to differentiate (sp?) them as a strip performer and a road course car, back to the grass roots. But I'd assume itd cost too much to r&d and tool for both of them, and we all know how GM loves to spend money on the fbody.

But I still havnt come around on the SS concept. I'd like a more upright car. Its just too bubbly for me, maybe when I see it in person it'll change my mind. It'd be nice to imagine it with 2 doors in person, too.
Old Jan 11, 2003 | 08:18 PM
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The SS concept will not be a Camaro, that was already confirmed. Think Chevelle.
Old Jan 11, 2003 | 08:26 PM
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The SS concept will not be a Camaro, that was already confirmed. Think Chevelle.
Yeah,I know. I think that it would be an insult to Chevelle fans too. 4 doors I know that there was 4 door versions during its' run but I think that Chevelle fans wouldn't like it either.
Old Jan 12, 2003 | 05:02 AM
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It's not some puss family sedan or compac car,that's why.Why do you think that there are no traditional 4dr muscle cars/hotrods,NOBODY wants them-me included.That would be the ultimate insult to Camaro fans.
I don't think that car would be an insult to Camaro fans. Sorry, I disagree. Once again, I already stated that I'd PREFER if it were a 2dr, but if the new Fbody would look like that then it could have 6 doors for all I care.
Old Jan 12, 2003 | 08:18 AM
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I understood that you preferred a 2door but it would be insulting.might as well throw rainbow stickers on them while they're at it.
Old Jan 12, 2003 | 08:58 AM
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Hey, well if you can't see the doorhandles, who cares?

Because there is still an additional big, long, ugly body seam caused by the suicide doors... not acceptable, IMO, on a Camaro or Firebird.
Old Jan 12, 2003 | 03:41 PM
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they wont screw it up

I would say that they wont dare re submit a camaro that strays from its musclecar demeaner, but look what they are giving to us in the NAINAS this year, its a disgrace. Luts is not impressing me yet, but maybe he will hold out untill he does it right. Lets not rush a bad design just so we can have a camaro. Lets be patient. Most good GM cars take some time off, like the vette! It WILL be back, just in what form is what we need to worry about.
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