97z28/m6

true.

Chris 96 WS6

Exactly. Thank you

Kris93/95Z28

WTF?
That is a **** poor torque rating...
The automotive press has to be crazy.

Threxx

Well, well, what do you know... I just looked up the towing capacity of the 3.5L I5 Colorado with the most optimal equipment configuration and it's 4,000 pounds.

The Ridgeline? 5,000.

Payload on the Colorado is anywhere from 850 pounds to 1330 pounds on the crew cab 4x4 models.

The Ridgeline? 1,100.

Anyhow... that's not to insinuate the Ridgeline would make for a better 'real' truck than the Colorado... I'm just saying that by the specs, the Ridgeline can run with the competition in terms of payload and towing.

A quote from Honda's website regarding the frame and bed:

Threxx

Guys, FYI, the Ridgeline starts at about 27k (sticker)... not 35. 35 comes with every feature possible in the Ridgeline including nav, XM, heated dual power seats, etc, etc.

Yeah... 252 pounds of torque is uh...

More than the Colorado's optional 3.5L I5 w/ 225 lb-tq...

So what does that mean for the Colorado?

Kris93/95Z28

True, but the Colorado isn't a 35K truck is it?
Lets compare apples to apples

Threxx

Interestingly enough if you take a 4x4 crew cab Colorado, get leather, sunroof, and XM... then equip the Honda pretty much identically (leave off the Nav for comparison's sake). I think the Honda still comes standard with heated seats and a couple other small features that aren't available in the Colorado, but I digress.

Colorado's sticker price (including dest)?: $33,010
Ridgeline's sticker price (including dest)?: $33,155

Now granted I know you can get much more attractive rebates and discounts on the Colorado, and you can also get much more stripped down versions of the Colorado the the Ridgeline can't match... but still, point is they aren't that drastically different when you compare their equally equipped sticker prices, sizes, payload, and towing capacity.

Yeah for a 33k sticker price you can get a much more physically capable Silverado and such... but the Ridgeline isn't a 1/2-ton truck, either so it's an apples to oranges comparison there, too.

anasazi

threxx, you rock.

just thought i'd point that out.

PacerX

At the combined Chevrolet/Honda dealer in Jackson Michigan (my Cavalier is getting some warranty work with travelling on business... being a Honda dealer at the same time means I AIN'T BUYING YOUR CHEVROLETS EITHER, ********...) I got the laugh of the last few months when I was looking at a 3500HD Diesel on the lot:

Salesguy (with prospective customer in tow):
"Hey you like that truck?"

Me:
"Yep. This is quite a machine."

Salesguy:
"Well, you oughta look at the Ridgeline over there..."

Me:
"Ummm... I'm looking at a K3500 Diesel Dualie 4x4 and you want to show me a RIDGERUNT???? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! <------*** Fit of uncontrollable laughter***"

Salesguy:
"Well, it has some neat features."

Me:
"Oh, like a cubby hole for my masculinity??? No thanks."

Salesguy:
"It's a real truck!"

Me:
"K, make you a deal since it's a 'real truck' and all. You go get a tow chain and we'll hook 'em up end to end. If the Silverado doesn't rip the drivetrain right out of that turd, I'll buy both of them."

Needless to say, there was no tractor pull in the offing.

Japs don't make trucks.
Soulless appliance-type cars, yes.
Trucks, NO.

A unibody truck... what a pack of idiots.


Oh... almost forgot the postscript... the customer in tow bought a K1500 Z71 extended cab. She just wasn't effeminate enough to be seen in the Honda.

PacerX

That if that's that much of an issue, somebody's leaving the lot with a K1500 with a 5.3 liter under the hood.

The Ridgerunt isn't worth the powder it takes to blow it to hell.

Threxx

I was hoping for some more intelligent/objective discussion from you to be honest. I made quite a few valid points. Sure, the Ridgeline is a much less 'masculine' truck, and is not cut out for heavy of work duty like something like a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, or full ton domestic truck. But as I pointed out, it is moreso intended to compete with the Colorado. If you want a 1/2 ton truck or above... don't consider the Ridgeline... that simple. But the 80% of the private truck buyers that don't care about towing capacity and care more about the comfort/feature content/daily driven reliability... the Ridgeline is a perfectly viable option.

And again, we already discovered the Ridgeline is a hybrid unibody/body on frame structure.

Threxx

Historically the US market has produced far more trucks... but don't forget the Tundra, Titan, Frontier, and Tacoma.

Of course given your shotgun '*** cars suck' approach thus far in the thread I'm sure your response will be that those aren't 'real' trucks either.

PacerX

Ummmm.... I would humbly submit that trucks are built like "trucks" for a reason... and none of the trucks that are built like "trucks" are based off of unibodys.

Golly gee... after manufacturing trucks for... oh... the last 100 years or so that way, do you think there just MIGHT be a reason or is every engineer employed in the American automobile industry an idiot?

I would also humbly submit that in the sales department, the Colorado is going to ***-pack the Honda.

Yes, you made a very convincing argument that if you wanted something that sorta looked like a truck, but had none of the characteristics that made a truck a truck, then the Ridgerunt is the truck for you.

It's kinda like buying a toy gun... it does everything a real gun does, except shoot bullets.

PacerX

Actually I said that the Japs make wounderfully utilitarian cars.

It's their trucks that I said were... well... a pretty funny joke, all in all.

Glad you're catching on.

anasazi

this is all you needed to say

i now understand why your posts contain what they contain.