I think the GTO will not dissappoint. The GTO, CTSv, and C6 are the only real interesting cars GM is coming out with. I bet all of these cars will exceed our expectations.

 

Whoa....hold on. How do you know that? How do you know that there won't be dealer mark-ups if demand is high? Do you have an official word on the FINAL sticker price of the new GTO?

Even if it is the same price, I still won't buy the GTO. I'll buy a mustang, because the styling will be much more aggressive and it'll probably be putting out more HP than the GTO.

Doesn't the GTO weigh quite a bit more than the Mustang?

I'm glad I amuse you. I seriously doubt the new GTO will give the new Cobras a run for their money. The 400 hp GTO is just a rumor and, like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.

Besides, even if the new GTO does put out 400 hp, the new Cobras will most likely put out more than the current 390 HP '03 Cobras.

Heck, I doubt the new GTO's will even keep up with the LS1 F-bodies. That's because they'll have the same LS1 engine, but in a heavier car.

As much fun as it is making predictions, then coming up with arguments based on those predictions, I'd rather not. Let's wait and see if the 400 hp rumor is true before we start arguing about it.

 

The 03 Cobra weighs over 3700 lbs , much heavier than a GT . I do agree with u thats its pointless to argue about rumors though . The only factual things about this car are 1) Its coming here , 2) there will be 18K avail. , 3) it will have some type of v8 , wether it be a LSx or gen IV , 4) it will have a 6 speed as an option , 5) it will have ponitac styled front and rear bumpers and interior and the ponitac drawing was not a definate thats exactly what its going to look like final version .

Everything else is here say . I also agree with whoever said this car will exceed expectations , I really think it will .

 

We do know that Cobras put out around 370 - 390 HP to the wheels, which would be around 420 - 430 HP, they are underrated.

If GTO gets 400HP, it won't run better than 12.5 in the quarter mile at BEST. Look at Z06 vette, with 405 HP. It's very tricky (and it takes an awesome driver and great weather conditions) to get it to break 12.00 second mark, and it weighs much less (by about 600 pounds) than GTO.

The fact that Cobras approach low 12's completely stock tells you that they are rudely underrated, just like GM's fbody.

 

See, it's all in the hood scoops.

 

I think it is fair to say that the Mach 1 will most definatly NOT be putting out more HP than a GTO.

 

agreed.

 

I don't know about it being as fast as the 2003 Cobra since the 2003 Cobra is basically as fast as the 2001 z06. And at 360-381hp to the rear wheels, we know the rated 390 crank hp is seriously underrated.

But!!! with 400 rumored horses this GTO would really move. High 12's would be possible. Think BMW M5.

I don't think we'll be seeing a 400hp version of the GTO at $35k though. We most likely will get something closer to 350-370hp which would still be nice. Just my opinion.

 

Monaro curb weight: 3650 lbs
Cobra curb weight: 3665 lbs

Monaros have been running around in Australia with the horsepower figures expected from GTO for some time via HSV and other aftermarket tuners, and GM and Lutz already mentioned the basics regarding GTO (ie: price & the fact that the engine will be tuned for more torque as well as horsepower upgrades). Torque equals acceleration. Cobra has 390 ft/lbs, current Corvette has 345.

I mentioned last December that the new Cobra's horsepower was being grossly underrated, and I got everything but flamed. Everyone knows by now I don't post anything here unless I either know something for sure, or get it from somewhere or someone I feel is very reputable. LS1s get 21 combined MPG, well above the gas guzzler tax, yet the GTO will be have a gas guzzler's tax. Why do you think that is?

It's not because of weight. Impala SSs still got 20 combined mpg with a less fuel efficient engine... and they weighed 4061 pounds (400 pounds more than GTO).

 

Im more exicted about how the interior is gonna be than the engine If it's really as good as they say it is down under, that's a huge step in the right direction for GM!

 

i dont know about you guys, but i am starting my own GTO fund. =)

 

If it were only that simple.......but no flashy hood scoops are going to detract attention away from the fact that the GTO looks about as plain as a Dodge Stratus.

 

let me add some fuel to this fire... check out this thread towards the end.... this guy has been pretty reliable so far from his 'holden' source ...

http://discussions.fordforums.com/sh...threadid=26830

 

Pentatonic - Your opinion, while as valid as anyone else's, is still just one vote in the marketplace. I happen to dislike the styling on the Cobra as well, for several reasons:

1. Too stubby, looks like the car got squished in a crusher
2. Styling largely unchanged since 1994 (oh wait - there's those new wheels )
3. Spoiler too flat and square
4. Pseudo-suede leather seat inserts promise to be difficult to maintain
5. Large slab doors utterly defenseless to door dings (at least the Monaro has a strong character line to reinforce the door skin!)
6. No rear bucket seats like the Monaro

Also... no one has talked much about quality. The new Cobra has had more than its share of problems... chronic front end misalignments, cooked cats, mysterious undisclosed "quality issues" shutting down the entire production line. Which do you suppose will be safer to mod, this new, complex and somewhat unknown Ford Grenade-a, or a simple, proven pushrod V8? Hmmm...

 

"A lot" are not dynoing 380+ rwhp stock .
They are underrated, but most are putting more around 340-360 at the wheels (which is still not shabby).

Chris