scott9050

Not necessarily. 107 trap is a full 5 mph slower than any magazine writer has claimed, and those were considered slow. If they were blowing the tires off through the gears (as I have heard claimed is happening already) the the traps will be low. People can ask any price they want for a car. The fact of the matter is the sticker is around $45K, anyone who pays $92K is an idiot. The price will come down as it did with the '03 cars.

Z284ever

No doubt they will get the GT500 to run faster due to better break in/driving/tuning/whatever.

But the fact of the matter is, that a consortium of Mustang tuners, (who presumably have a clue on tuning Mustangs), have taken a Mustang with a very high level of factory powertrain kit, with an already hellacious amount of power, with easy tunability potential, which has been modded on a dyno and track tested by professionals. Considering all this - I was expecting a better performance.

For me, the big take away here, is that in the 'real world' of physics, there are diminishing returns to simply adding copious amounts of power in order accelerate a car which is excessively heavy.

scott9050

Since when is a 2 seat sports car that stckers (without markups) for $30K more than the Shelby "competition"? I guess lambo's and Ferrari's are competition too?

scott9050

Most buyers either want one or the other. A lot of people still look at a Corvette as a middle age crisis mobile. The market is completely different in most cases, and going by the fact that both are selling well apparently not everyone shares your view.

Chris89Stang

Yeah, not too tough of a decision when you have your head up GM's ***. You ever think maybe some people don't like the Corvette and have no desire to own one?!!

Hell, why do people buy new M3's over the vette? They have pretty close MSRP prices.

By your logic nobody should buy any vehicle, that has a similar MSRP, other than the vette. I guess thats what blind brand loyalty will do to you.....

scott9050

Let's get into a few things here. One is that the gear they chose, they are basically admitting that they can not drive the car well with the 4.10's as it is losing traction. With that much torque I think it is a useless mod. Apparently it only has a cold air intake, a cat back, a tune and unknown suspension mods that apparently are not working very well. There are all sorts of Mustang shops, those that are respected and those who could not get a car to run right no matter what they do. It sure as hell does not mean that they are professionals, especially putting on some mods that a backyard tuner could do. I would like to see what a respected tuner like Randy Haywood could do with a similar car. And as I said earlier, the writing is on the wall with the new Camaro. It may not be as portly as the Shelby for obvious reasons (no supercharger, intercooling piping etc) but it is not going to be svelte either.

scott9050

Anyone who reads this forum realizes that he hates Ford with blind passion. Nothing they ever do could ever be right. That is why people listen for the unbiased comments of someone like Guy instead.

JakeRobb

In spite of all logic, some buyers will cross-shop the GT500 with both regular Vette's and Z06 Vette's. Why? Because they want a "fast car", and all three, to some degree, satisfy that desire. In that light, yes, Lambo's and Ferraris count too. However, the prices are so much higher and the marques in question are so fundamentally different that it's far less likely.

That aside, I was only using the Z06 as an example. Pretty much all cars get a touch faster once they're broken in, but the Mustang guys act like theirs is the only one that will.

So, in short, thanks for missing my point.

scott9050

The point you were trying to make was already made and acknowledged, but I disagree that a large number of buyers will look at each car. Mustang people typically want a Mustang, not a Vette, and Corvette people would not be caught dead in a Mustang for the most part.

JakeRobb

svelte: showing a high degree of refinement and the assurance that comes from wide social experience

You're saying that the GT500 is going to show a higher level of refinement than the Camaro?

Do you have anything to base that on?

scott9050

Maybe you should look up the definitions of svelte, it has more than one:
That is the one I was using, but you apparently did not read down far enough when you were searching for a definition

JakeRobb

I didn't say "a large number", I said "some".

Indeed, a large number of performance enthusiasts have a favorite brand and/or model. There are two things to take into account, though: there are some that don't have a favorite, and there are some whose minds can be changed.

scott9050

Some is a very small number.

Most people buying these 2 cars though do have some kind of a bias. These 2 cars represent very important parts of America, America's first sports car and the first Pony car. Neither is a generic automobile and people are more passionate about which they prefer.

JakeRobb

Okay, thanks for clarifying. Now, please tell me how the GT500 is more svelte than the Camaro. I don't think that statement is true for any definitions of svelte.

scott9050

Again, please show me where I claimed that the Shelby was svelte? The point I was trying to make was the opposite, that even though the camaro might not be quite as heavy, it would not be Svelte either in top form because of government imposed restrictions and the innability to use exotic materials because of cost restrictions. Happy? I don't have a Mustang in my future as they are not my style, but plans are being made to get a new Camaro when the inevitable price gouging stops after release.