Chris89Stang

Where are you getting this from? I haven't seen any Mustang owners act, assume, or state that only Mustangs get faster with a break-in. Am I just missing it in this thread, on another site (link?), or is it just in your head because you dislike Mustangs and/or their owners?

JakeRobb

"Some," when I used it, was not intended to have any connotation of size, except to imply "not all". 90% qualifies as "some". In my experience, it's erroneous to assume otherwise.

There are people (or should I say "some people" ) who care about buying American, and are fine with either Ford or Chevy (or Chyrsler).

They are not the majority, but they are not insignificant and should not be ignored.

RussStang

The C5 Z06 Evan Smith ran a 11.97 in was on street tires, not drag radials I believe.

JakeRobb

I apologize -- I thought you said that the Camaro wasn't going to be as svelte. You were in fact not making a comparison, and it was the comparison that I didn't like.

I can not figure out why nobody understands me. Let me try to go through this step by step.

1. GT500 supporters claim that the car will get faster once it's broken in. This is true.

2. The reason that they make this claim is in response to comments that the car should be faster than it is (for various reasons, mostly weight and traction).

3. Most of the comments come from people who like to point out the quarter-mile times of the other 500hp domestics -- Viper, Z06, and Ford GT -- all of which run in the 11's on street tires if the conditions are right and the driver knows what he (or she) is doing.

4. Those 11.x runs in those other cars were magazine tests performed when the cars were new, before they were broken in. Just like the GT500.

So the point here is that if it were going to run numbers that would satisfy the standard set for us for 500hp domestic sporting cars, it would have done so brand new, and the numbers would then get a little bit better once it's broken in.

Since all of the cars in question are awaiting better numbers after break-in, the fact that this is true for the GT500 does not make it fare any better by comparison, and is therefore a pointless claim, IMO.

Please, for the love of Scott Settlemier, tell me you understand.

PacerX

Blah, blah, blah...

You wanna spend $45k on a dolled up mudstain, go right ahead.

Capn Pete

You could be right? I had that mag at home awhile ago (don't know where it's at right now ... I just moved a couple months ago) but I "thought" that they put sticky tires on the car?? But maybe they said something like imagine IF it had sticky tires?? I dunno! Regardless, I just think that comparing a ~405 HP car to a ~500 HP car, there should be clear nod to the 500 HP car to win a 1/4 mile dash, and it shouldn't take an intake/exhaust/tuning to do so. And of COURSE I realize the weight difference, and I realize that weight wasn't necessarily brought into this for the sake of comparing the GT500 with OTHER cars (although it's certainly an explanation for the GT500's own poor performance #'s).

...I guess we need to give these cars more time to get more REAL WORLD experience with them, and then see who's where on the speed list??

I think right now comparisons are being made between the GT500 and the Corvette because, well, there's NOTHING ELSE TO COMPARE TO!!!! I mean, we can compare it to PAST Camaros, and if it really does run low 13's / high 12's stock, that's a good comparison. To compare it to FUTURE Camaros is utter BS because nobody knows WHAT to expect with the Camaro. The Challenger at least has a tad more info on it (namely, the WEIGHT) so we could start making speculative comparisons there. Otherwise, we're left comparing the new Mustang to other Mustangs, or past Camaros, or CURRENT ~500 HP cars, ie: Corvette!

I didn't think there was anything wrong with that???

PacerX

From what I'm seeing of most of times being bandied about, a Z51 C6 and this car are going to be relatively close stock for stock in the 1/4 mile with the C6 Z51 having the advantage... and... in every other measure of performance, the Mustang gets crushed.

And after hearing all the hype, the Ford nuthuggers are forced to yet again face another hard truth:

Dollar for dollar, given the best Ford can seem to do, they have yet again failed to outperform GM.

The '03 Cobra was a bright spot for 'em, but apart from that, there ain't much to get all happy about. The current GT Mustang is a slug, and the GT500 failed to live up to the the "Vette beater" hype.

Mostly 'cause it's a pig.

BTW...

This is a good lesson for GM. 3900 lbs. Camaros are a bad idea.

Meh...

Me neither.

Z284ever

And as far as I'm concerned, that's the whole point of this thread.

DJ:BOTA

Ya, I was working at a ford dealer a few months ago, they are getting 15k+ over sticker!

So ford comes out with a s/c car to compete with n/a cars that perform the same. Hello!? Where is the logic?

Z284ever

As far as how good these tuners are, I have no idea....but if they do this for a living and get paid for it - they are by definition, professionals.

And the need to try a 4.10 axle ratio with that incredible mountain of torque the GT500's motor puts out, makes my point. It takes an inordinate amount of torque/torque multiplication to get two tons of mass in motion.

Less torque with less weight, it might appear, would be more effective.

Jason E

Who the hell said stripped? I said cloth seats...I imagine all the standard power goodies are there...

What would you expect for 500hp at that price point?

graham

This is exactly the reason we need an all aluminum N/A 427 instead of a blown... anything. Saving weight! And gas mileage and stuff!

Chris 96 WS6

Well, there's a second point, and it is that the top heavy, overweight Ford Mod Motors are underperformers regardless of their HP rating.

I gaurantee the motor alone outweighs and LS1 by 200 lbs.

91Z28350

One thing to consider, for people who keep wondering why we are bringing up the C6 Z06; when the two vehicles (GT500 and C6 Z06) were pre-production we had both here, and at other GM fansites, alot of Mustang fans crowing about how the GT 500 was going to annihalate both the C6 Z51 AND the C6 Z06. Not really any different then how when the GT came out, the Ford Fanatics were quit to point out how it crushed the C5 Z06 and the Viper.

For the record, I like the new 'Stangs, and think the GT500 is a very cool car, needs a serious diet, but still a cool car.

One last point: while SOME people ( I believe a VERY small minority) will buy a car based solely on the performance figures, most buyers of the two marques in question, Mustang and Corvette are EXTREMELY name loyal, not even so much brand loyal.

As an example, my father would not even LOOK at a GT500 even if it soundly embarrassed his C6 Z51. To him, no matter how fast, cool looking, whatever, it is not as cool as a Corvette. To each their own, I would rather have the 'Vette also.

Omegalock

Well I don't see much point in holding the premium of the car the dealers charge for it and the wealthy pay for it against the car itself. I felt that was very silly for people to do to begin with the GTO when it came out doublely so now.

And as far as the 107 mph trap is concerned. Unless something is very very broken on this car nothing about the car adds up to that being remotely the norm so why are people almost salivating over those numbers is beyond me.