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Old Feb 17, 2010 | 05:30 PM
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How fast do you guys think they run on the 1/4?
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 06:59 PM
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How fast do you guys think they run on the 1/4?
Evan Smith 1/4 or Average Guy 1/4 mile or bossco 1/4 mile?
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 07:07 PM
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Evan Smith 1/4 or Average Guy 1/4 mile or bossco 1/4 mile?
Just the average guy. I know bossco's time in this kind of car is low 6 sec in the 1/4, STOCK.
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 07:20 PM
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Just the average guy. I know bossco's time in this kind of car is low 6 sec in the 1/4, STOCK.
You know me so well I'ma gonna say mid to low 12s for a decent average driver.
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 08:59 PM
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Maybe its time to start mounting the brakes inward like the old jags used to do. You could have the best of both worlds. Small wheels and big brakes
Old Feb 17, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TOO Z MAXX
Maybe its time to start mounting the brakes inward like the old jags used to do. You could have the best of both worlds. Small wheels and big brakes
I recall there was an article a little while back where the brake rotors were an extension of the wheels... though I can't remember if it's the type of setup you mention.

The only question I would have is how would you actually cool the brakes?
Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:49 PM
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You know me so well I'ma gonna say mid to low 12s for a decent average driver.
LOL please tell me you're not serious?

The 2011 GT will NEVER see low 12's at the hands of an average driver and it's not likely that one will ever see low 12's stock in the hands of anyone. It's got the couple hundred lb weight advantage on the SS but it's also about 14hp short and has quite a bit less torque and only 255 tires.

EDIT: Low 12's in my vocab =12.00-12.29
Old Feb 19, 2010 | 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bkpliskin
LOL please tell me you're not serious?

The 2011 GT will NEVER see low 12's at the hands of an average driver and it's not likely that one will ever see low 12's stock in the hands of anyone. It's got the couple hundred lb weight advantage on the SS but it's also about 14hp short and has quite a bit less torque and only 255 tires.

EDIT: Low 12's in my vocab =12.00-12.29
Are we talking GT or GT500? Looking at the thread title, I'd say the latter.
low 12s seems reasonable in that context.
Old Feb 19, 2010 | 06:17 AM
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That's how I read it. The GT500 certainly has a lot more *potential* than a low 12 (with a good driver), but is severely traction limited. The GT's numbers are probably a bit more "normal driver friendly" (my own term), but will quite possibly have rather serious traction problems too, and thus will likely be very close to the SS in acceleration with the average driver....perhaps a tick better, based on slightly better power-to-weight and somewhat better gearing.

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Old Feb 19, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bkpliskin
LOL please tell me you're not serious?

The 2011 GT will NEVER see low 12's at the hands of an average driver and it's not likely that one will ever see low 12's stock in the hands of anyone. It's got the couple hundred lb weight advantage on the SS but it's also about 14hp short and has quite a bit less torque and only 255 tires.

EDIT: Low 12's in my vocab =12.00-12.29

The GT 500 has a 285-35-19 rear tire. Still not enough.

Ford claims a 12.3 second 1/4 mile for the 2010. Most people cant get enough traction for that, a few rag's have ran 12.4 and of course Evan Smith ran a 11.9x with a stock Shelby and then a 11.5x with drag tires.

Ford claims the 2011 runs to 60mph .1 second faster that a 2010, so I would guess Ford will claim a 12.1 second 1/4 mile for the 2011 GT500. I would think most mags will get lower that a 12.5 for the 2011 with some mags running 12.0 +/- .2.
Old Feb 19, 2010 | 09:36 AM
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The GT 500 has a 285-35-19 rear tire. Still not enough.

Ford claims a 12.3 second 1/4 mile for the 2010. Most people cant get enough traction for that, a few rag's have ran 12.4 and of course Evan Smith ran a 11.9x with a stock Shelby and then a 11.5x with drag tires.

Ford claims the 2011 runs to 60mph .1 second faster that a 2010, so I would guess Ford will claim a 12.1 second 1/4 mile for the 2011 GT500. I would think most mags will get lower that a 12.5 for the 2011 with some mags running 12.0 +/- .2.
My bad, somewhere along the way there was some 5.0 GT talk in this thread and I thought that's what was being refrenced. Soooo... 2011 GT, no chance at low 12's... 2011 GT500, low 12's will be no problem.
Old Feb 19, 2010 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bkpliskin
My bad, somewhere along the way there was some 5.0 GT talk in this thread and I thought that's what was being refrenced. Soooo... 2011 GT, no chance at low 12's... 2011 GT500, low 12's will be no problem.
'11 GT500 was what I was talking about, I figure the SS and GT are gonna be running pretty close with the SS coming out on top more times than not by dint of its more tractable power band with the average guy behind the wheel.
Old Feb 19, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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I don't think its the broader powerband that would do it, rather, the lack of traction for the GT. But that remains to be seen, and power-to-weight and gearing will slightly favor the GT.
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 09:32 AM
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I don't think its the broader powerband that would do it, rather, the lack of traction for the GT. But that remains to be seen, and power-to-weight and gearing will slightly favor the GT.
Yeah... dern 3 link rear, what was Ford thinking when they dumped that 4 link from the Fox and SN95/New Edge cars -just plain power aside of course.

An adjustable upper control arm does some good with helping the current chassis get the power down, if for no other reason than it gets rid of that sloppy upper mounting (14mm bolt in a 16mm hole )
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 10:34 AM
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I was referring primarily to the reported puny tires. That, combined with a VERY steep 1st gear will make for an interesting time in launching the car.

Easiest, quickest, and probably cheapest fix to that would be a set of tires (perhaps tires and wheels). Once I do that, I can take advantage of the gearing. Next thing I'd do is raise the rev limiter a few hundred rpm to make better use of the 6500 rpm peak HP. Got tune?



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