Manufacturers test there for their own purposes; not to satisfy the public...how they do anything there when not specifically trying to set a "formal" (how ever formal it is) record is immaterial except for magazines and car nuts who want to spin their wheels (no punn intended) specullating...that's why I say when they started or stopped their stop watches doesn't matter.


As far a I know there are stipulations/procedures that have to be followd for a manufacturer to claim a "record"...I don't know that for a fact...if someone here does have some facts about it at their disposal perhaps they'll chime in.

As mentioned above, however, I do think we need to differentiate between "testing" and actually trying to set a lap record as I don't believe they are the same nor shouhd they be given the same level of scrutinity.


Can't argue with that although if something like that does happen I suepect it will happen in the U.S., not at the ring.

 

Here is the direct ranslation form Jan about he Z06:

About the track and the car:

"The street Corbette has virtually no grip compared to my race car which has a large rear spoiler. But it does have almost as many BHPs as my Le Mans racer and is almost as fast. The rev limiter sets in at 7000 rpms, and it does have more than 500 BHPs.

It´s fast. At the record attempt I drove 2 x 2 laps with a cooldown lap in between for both mine and the car´s sake.

I couldn´t have driven one single lap more. I wouldn´t have liked to drive a single meter (3 feet) more with myself at the wheel at that speed", Jan finishes.


Flying start? I think not!

 

When was it decided you can't use a stopwatch anymore...did I miss the memo?

 

Apparently you did. They don't use stopwatches to get offical times they use the beam timer. Not someone standing behind the fence with a stopwatch!

 

I'm sure you have vast experience at racetracks around the world - I still see a lot of stopwatches being used as just about every racing facility I've ever been too and I seriously doubt that's going to change anytime soon and just to note, the track time where they use stopwatches, and the one we have been discussing the most wasn't nor was it supposed to be the "official" time.

 

Robert, I'd stop while you're behind.

Suaveat69 seems to know in great detail how "the ring" works, and how these runs were done for both Nissan and GM.

The problem I have with Nissan is if they go around claiming 7:29. Who's to know any better? Without detailed info, like Suaveat69 is providing, people will take the time as comparable to other times out there, when in honesty, it is like a "cheaters" lap. With ring times showing up in many publications and claims, it is essential that the times be done the same way! It is a big marketing point, just consider how much it's brought up around this forum.

Dan

 

Fair enough but the "stopwatches" he was referencing had nothing to do with an "offiial" time and to suggest, as he seems to be (if I"m totally misunderstanding then I apoligize) that there is something wrong with using stopwatches for such things is silly...of course a stopwatch isn't as accurate as digital timers but that doean't mean they have no place at all when evaluating how well a car is doing at a track.

 

I agree about the stopwatches being o.k., as long as the people using them are trained when to start and stop it accurately and are unbiased. The nice thing about the beams is that they take out those factors.

Dan

 

Ahh, the feeble attempt at facetiousness or maybe you were not trying to be funny?

Look at the VIDEO-the ring uses a timing beam in the pictures. Just because someone times a lap with a hand help stowatch doesd not make it an official time or even accurate. That is what the beams are for. We are not talking about other tracks in this acerbic discussion.

Then you need to tell the fanboys then that is not an official time. I don't understand what you are trying to say. Although they use a beam but someone with a stopwatched timed it, then it is still a time no matter what?

 

I think if it is proven that the GT-R is faster than a ZR1 at the "Ring", it will be b/c of the AWD system.
I can see where engine braking at all 4 wheels could be an advantage, and then the grip of all four tires receiving power coming out of a turn, sooner, allowing the GT-R to carry more speed through and exiting the turns.
At least that's my "hypothetical" conclusion.
Maybe 1fastdog would know?...

 

No one but you is claiming that it IS an official time.

The article you cite never claimed their time was "official" and even warned readers about the inaccuracey inherrent with using stopwtches which as far as I can tell, the author used for his own purposes.

 

Well it does matter if you're going to make claims and quote times for the purposes of being the fastest production car at the Ring. Heck Ghosn is using this in speeches. Nissan claims to have put 5000k of high speed testing on the GTR. I'm sure when they were ready and go and got the camaras rolling to make their record lap they had full intentions of telling people about it. To me that means testing is over.

There is a big difference between that recorded and quoted lap than the ZR1 and Camaro testing we have seen.

So when you go to make a record run as Nissan did where the start/finish line is and where the clock is started and stopped means everything.

 

Seems like the GTR is having its *** handed to it regularly by the Viper ACR in One Lap of America.

Both are modded, but hey . . . that must be as good as "official," unofficial, stopwatch-timed, maybe-didn't-run-the-whole-course numbers, right?

 

Yeah...certainly no other factors that could possibly come into play when running the OLOA.

 

Please elaborate.