Actually, the 2004 325i was $28,495, but for 2005 you get a "free" moonroof that used to cost $1,050.


Actually, "leatherette" wears a heck of alot better than some of the crappy, thin, split "leather" that you find in domestic cars.

Actually, your BMW dealer can order you anything you want and have within 12 to 13 days. That's better than the 6 months it take to order a Mercedes or the "4-6 weeks" for the domestics.

1. GM's leather isn't exactly BMW quality.

2. Those aging 4-speed slushboxes aren't worth much, either.

3. The G6's "panarama" roof costs more than a similar (if superior) sunroof on a Mercedes C-class. Every 3-series sedan gets a standard conventional sunroof anyway.

4. The cheapo power seats on a domestic are actually worth less to me than the comfy manually adjusting seats in most European makes.

 

I have yet to see a BMW that looses half of it's value in the first year. Tell all of the folks who are thousands of dollar "upside down" that "resale value isn't everything."

 

It's so funny. He takes every valid point, and just says that that's the way HE likes it anyway. Leatherette actually wears better, blah, blah, blah...if these imports had square wheels, he'd find some half-baked reason why he would say he likes those more too.

Why don't you go join a BMW forum? I'm sure they'd welcome you there to blow smoke up their *****.

 

I still bet you won't be able to find a stripper 2004 BMW with a sticker of $28,495 to get a good deal on. And you fail to mention how much roomier the Pontiac is. I think the BMW is a rip off considering how much room you get. It doesn't give you any real space advantage in the rear seat or trunk versus a Civic. So basically you can buy a Civic for half as much money and just as much utility. But then again, that Civic doesn't drive like the Beemer.


I'll agree with you that leatherette wears a heck of a lot better than ANY leather. I detail cars and have seen 15 year old Mercedez with leatherette that still looks showroom new. The leather in BMW's and Jags don't wear as well as leatherette. But the stuff doesn't have the nice feel of leather. My mom had a Volvo station wagon with that crappy leatherette that would give you a 1st degree burn on a hot day and frost bite on a cold winter day.



I believe BMW's ordering system is the best in the industry, and very cool. But once they redesign and screw up the 3-series like they did with the rest of their car line, who will want to even buy one of their cars?



The stuff in Cadillacs is up to snuff. And Cadillacs have the best smell out of any car out there.

At least GM doesn't have the nerve to charge you $1275 for a auto tranny. And the 4 speed auto is a good shifting, proven design that is very reliable. Its only downside is the lack of an extra ratio.


We weren't even talking about a Mercedes's crap car(according to the automotive press). The three paned sunroof provides a much larger opening than the BMW's. And it has that intangible cool factor.

Okay, you have fun finding that ideal driving position adjusting your manual seat while in heavy traffic.

 

Oh boy...ladies and gentlemen...the best owning of redzed yet...

Actually, redzed, you would be incorrect with the assessment that your european seats are so much better, as applied to this topic, the G6. That is because the seats employed in the G6, whether GT, GTP or base model, are made by Faucette (sp?), a French firm...

Whom ALSO MAKES SEATS FOR BMW, PORSCHE AND MERCEDES....



I have never so clearly been able to use this on anyone quite like with you, right now. This is something even YOU can't talk around, or spin your way

 

The Malibu also has the "French" seats, but you sure wouldn't know to sit on them. Personally, I've yet to see a mainstream domestic car that can beat a Mexican-built VW for seat comfort and adjustability.

 

honestly redzed, have you driven every single car that has come out for the last 10 years?

 

Oh my... ~Refills popcorn~

 

I take it back redzed...its now official...

You are right. I am wrong. My facts are wrong. I am an idiot. Thank you for putting me in my place. Save your popcorn, Mecca...

redzed is smarter than EVERYONE here...

 

I am not sure if you learned anything about statistics and case studies, but case studies or testimonials are worth jack. You are using inductive reasoning based on... your own feelings?

S'rong wichoo, man?

 

crap guys, you really are stuck to your guns.... opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

Everyone has a right to their opinion what they like for what. Me personally, I would never spend so much money on a domestic to loose their value in a 2 year period. Domesitcs you buy in a few years, after they took the biggest hit.

I dont think anyone here is arguing that the G6 is not a great car, the arguement is, in my opinion it is way over priced for what I can buy instead.

It is the same reason you dont buy a hyundai over a nissan, toyota, or what not, no one says the hyundai is a bad car, they made strives and give you perhaps the best value for your money, but really who wants to spend $30k on a hyundai? after all it is a hyundai. Same thing here, in my mind, i would not spend so much on a g6 where for the insane money they are charging you can get a better car, with better resale, brand recognition for nearly the same money. Same as GTO, no one says it is a bad car..... just too over priced. If people didnt agree.... there would not be rebates on the car.

 

Ok, this was bugging me so i went and did a comparo between G6 GT and a Acura TSX

Acura tsx with auto 5 speed 27k
Base g6 with auto 26k

Acura has on g6....

Warranty & Service Interval 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
Basic Warranty Time (Months) 48 36
Basic Warranty Miles 50000 36000
Powertrain Warranty Time (Months) 48 36
Powertrain Warranty Miles 50000 36000
Rust Warranty Time (Months) 60 72
Rust Warranty Miles Unlimited 100000
Extended Service Interval Standard Standard

Much better warranty......

COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
Automatic Climate Control Standard Not Available
Power Windows Standard Standard
Power Door Locks Standard Standard
Adjustable Steering Column Standard Standard
Steering Wheel Mounted Controls Standard Optional
Air Filtration System Standard Not Available
Cruise Control Standard Standard
Homelink Remote System Standard Not Available


Seats 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
Leather Trimmed Seats Standard Optional
Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel Standard Optional
Front Bucket Seat Standard Standard
Power Driver Seat Standard Standard
Front Heated Seat Standard Optional
Front Adjustable Seat Height Standard Standard
Fold-Down Rear Seatback Standard Standard
Fold-Down Rear Center Armrest Standard Not Available
Front Adjustable Lumbar Support Standard Standard

Lighting 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
High-Intensity Discharge Headlights Standard Not Available
Automatic Headlights Standard Standard
Map Light Standard Not Listed
Glass & Mirrors 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
Rear Window Defroster Standard Standard
Power Mirrors Standard Standard
Vanity Mirror Not Listed Standard
Illuminated Vanity Mirrors Standard Standard
Instrumentation 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
Tachometer Standard Standard
Outside Temperature Gauge Standard Not Listed
Maintenance Interval Indicator Standard Not Listed
Remotes & Releases 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
Remote Trunk Release Standard Standard
Remote Fuel Filler Door Release Standard Not Available
Keyless Entry System Standard Standard
Storage 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
Cargo Net Accessory Standard
Door Storage Standard Standard
Seatback Storage Standard Standard
Armrest Storage Standard Standard
Console Storage Standard Standard
Coin Box Standard Not Available
Beverage Holders Standard Not Listed
Sunroof/Removable Top 2004 Acura TSX 5-speed AT 2005 Pontiac G6 GT
Moonroof Standard Optional


Amongs that Standard HID's, side curtain airbags, moonroof, cd changer.... all standard.... so the question is..... who in the right mind would fork extra money over for the G6 unless it came with rebates?

 

Just curious, as I don't know, but what engine comes in the exact TSX that you are specing? The G6 you are specing has the optional powertrain.

 

On a side note, since we have several regular Canadian members.... can we refrain from the use of DOMESTIC? American, Canadian, Japanesse.... it isn't that hard to just say American.

Ricers have burned me out on that word.

 

what?!? Base G6 with auto at 26K? where have you been looking?

Canadian prices: base G6 with V6 and AUTO = $25,700 / GT trim $28, 615, including destination
Acura TSX auto = $35,750

American prices: base G6 with V6 and AUTO = $21,300 / GT trim $23, 925
Acura TSX auto = $26,490

That's a difference of $10,000 CDN and $5,000 USD between G6 and TSX.