what does a camaro look like?

 

Exactly.

 

if they called the redesigned monte a camaro you would be happy?

 

No, but I could live with a RWD, 2+2, compact coupe as a Firebird.

 

maybe you could but there are tons of others that would think it is a disgrace to the name.

 

Honestly, I think very few would feel that way. And I think many, many thousands would embrace it. JMHO.

 

Reverse it, and put the Camaro in it's place. How many of use would be thrilled if Camaro was bought back as a compact, RWD, 2+2 with and roided up Ecotech.

If there is anything that GM should have learned from the GTO, it is that you can not just slap a heritage name on any old car that is remotly close to the original formula, and expect it to be accepted. There has to be some sort of styling tie in with the older car (not retro...think SN-98 Mustang), and you can not be too liberal with straying from the original formula. V8 is a huge part of the original formula IMO. I would accept a Turbo V6 (because there was pretty bad assed turbo TA)...but there is no way I could go for the Ecotech in a Firebird. Save it for the Solstice.

The only reason I can see GM naming the car Firebird is to get some Firebird enthusiasts back. Making it a 4 cylinder only car whould actually probaly repel Firebird enthusiasts...so I see no point in it having the name.

Matter of fact, I can not think of one Firebird owner out there who thinks "Geez....I wish this thing had a 4 cylinder instead of this stupid V8."


I think the disconnect here is that what Charlie thinks is cool for Pontiac does not equal what Pontiac enthusiast think is cool for Pontiac.

I would personally love to see Pontiac aimed at Infinity honestly.

 

Firebird with a 4 cylinder ecotec?

Are you guys on crack?? seriously...

 

I dont think you're going to pull of a Firebird with a 4cyl unless its got two of them strapped together...

I think the car being described would be good for Pontiac, but I dont think that name would be good for it.

 

Put me down as one of those people who would reject it! Pontiac probably needs this car, BUT if they name it Firebird, THAT'LL be the biggest mistake that they could make! The uproar from the Firebird fans would be DEAFENING! Just call it a G7 & call it a day.

 

agree 100%

 

thats awsome

 

Pontiac enthusiast? Who judges who the Pontiac enthusiasts are?

Who are the true enthusiasts?
Are they the ones that think GM should spend several hundred million dollars, to produce a Pontiac clone to the Camaro, aimed directly at the Camaro's market - which would end up selling in low volume and cannabalise Camaro?

Or are the true enthusiasts the ones who think Pontiac should have something excitingly different, so that they can conquer new markets - and possibly survive.

Hey, who knows.

All I know is, this Pontiac enthusiast was downshifting GTO Hurst Dualgate shifters, and watching T/A shaker hoodscoops shake, since before most of you were born.

 

Many of your posts have me doubting just how much of a Pontiac enthusiast you are. Sometimes it seems like you are more a "Make Pontiac different from Chevy in anyway possible as long as it also does not perform better" enthusiast.

You seem willing to push ideas like 4 cylinder Firebird, and 4 door GTO's when it comes to Pontiac. Yet when it came to the Camaro, you were the most strict contructionist there was.

Again...if GM was thinking of slapping a 4 cylinder only in the Camaro...you would be wigging out, and you know it.

I don't think a high feature/Turbo V6 Firebird aimed at the G35 market would hurt Camaro at all. My only rpoblem with the whole idea is the Ecotech only part. As soon as you mention Ecotech and Firebird in the same sentence...90% of Firebird enthusiasts will either stop listening or get VERY angry.

BTW, I am 25 and have owned 7 Pontiac's, including 3 Firebirds (including 2 second gen Firebirds..and yes one with the dual gate hurst shifter)...so I think I qualify as somewhat a Pontiac enthusiast...and exactly the buyer Pontiac would target with this new Firebird.

 

I don't disagree. In fact, I was flamed pretty heavily when I proposed such a car. But no such car will be coming for Pontiac.


I really think that's an overstatement.

The way I see it, there are not enough traditional Firebird enthusiasts, to support a traditional Firebird, especially when a well executed Camaro exists.