Oh redzed, how you taunt by calling me a Pontiac salesman The fact remains its a job I enjoy for one day a week. But hey, I'll let you have that retort...

I love how I am not alone in the opinion the style of the car is not dated. I love how the last thread you butchered was so comical, Aron now has YOUR quote in his sig. You walked away from that thread, and it was wise. I wonder how long it will take you to walk from this one...

I didn't even deny the fact the back was a little short on headroom...did I? Go read the damn post. All I said was you probably got that from Car and Driver...and I'm sure you did. I might sell Pontiacs on a Saturday afternoon, but the one who's biased here sure as hell is not me.

There is nothing "dated" about a center stack that is shifted towards the driver. There is nothing "dated" about the interior plastic. You love to whine, and we all know it. I'll leave the rest of the fact finding to Darth.

Its great to have you back though

 

The fact remains that you still are a Pontiac salesman. I'm not affiliated with GM in anyway. The fact also remains that the current GP has not done well in Consumer Reports ranking for midsized sedans, being a "caboose" despite the fact that it's a pretty recent introduction. I also have a friend who owns a GP, and that particular GM loyalist really doesn't his car. This guy has been buying FWD GM sedans for the last two decades - so I guess he's not very picky - and the cramped interior and uncomfortable seats of the '04 GP really got him angry. Two decades of Ponitac 6000s, Regals, Centuries and Grand Ams couldn't turn off a loyal buyers, but a single Grand Prix sure could. It's a matter of bad design. Interestingly, the car has been completely reliable so it's by no means a lemon.

 

LOL!

Didn't finish well in Consumer Reports. Well, they are certainly full of automotive wisdom.

And let me get this straight, your friend bought an '04 GP and then let it get him pissed off because it is cramped, even though it has been very reliable? Did he not notice the interior at all during the test drive? Is he a clown?

Or did I read that wrong and he has a previous gen Grand Prix and has been turned off by the '04s?

And BTW, the '04 has more room than the '97-'03 GP, so the previous generation must have been absolutely tiny inside if the '04 is cramped...

 

So my affiliation to Pontiac means I'm biased, right? I love how you STILL dodge every bullet I throw at you...its hysterical. I SAID THE BACK SEAT IS NOT GREAT. Can we follow that?? Are you clear?? Ok, with that being said...A SMALLER BACK SEAT AND PLASTICS YOU MAY NOT LIKE DOES NOT MEAN THIS IS A "DATED" DESIGN

I use the caps because, maybe this time, you'll get it. I might sell cars part time, but I'm not the idiot here...whether you think its a "bad" design or not, its not DATED.

And my affiliation with Pontiac has not even remotely clouded my vision of the truth as much as your anti-GM bias has clouded yours. Again, I refer to Aron's sig

You may not be affiliated with GM, but so what?? Your opinions in this thread and the G6/Cobalt thread prove you're a car-rag-driver...you don't take the time to actually go out and LOOK at things, and drive them.

Do yourself a favor...don't get your auto advice from the same magazine that rates toasters. Consumer Reports loves Hondas. Tell that to my friend who has a '99 Accord with 75k that in the last 3k miles has had the exhaust rot through (gee, GM uses stainless that lasts the life of the car...must be that inferior design), the radiator blew (both of my '89 F bodies, a Camaro 2.8 and a Formula 305, had their original radiators when sold in 2002), and the shifter fell off!! Yeah, great quality there. But hey, Consumer Reports loves them, so they HAVE to be good, right?????

Sure, this Accord may be an exception, but the point is this...Consumer Reports does not know jack, and there bias is even worse than yours. I can admit GM makes some pretty good cars, and I can also admit other manufacturers make some damn good cars too. So much for my bias.

 

Translation: PONTIAC SALESMAN finally figured out what the "Caps Lock" key does.

Translation: PONTIAC SALESMAN offers test drive, assuming that topnotch salesmanship can sell any product, to anyone, at any time.

the radiator blew (both of my '89 F bodies, a Camaro 2.8 and a Formula 305, had their original radiators when sold in 2002), and the shifter fell off!! Yeah, great quality there. But hey, Consumer Reports loves them, so they HAVE to be good, right?????[/QUOTE]



1. I had one of the those "stainless steel" exhaust systems on my Craprice. The "stainless steel" exhaust system had a galvanized muffler that rotted away. When the muffler goes, so does the tailpipe. In the end, the "stainless steel" exhaust system didn't last much longer than ye old galvanized exhaust system. When I finally ditched the car, I'd been using a discount muffler shop for too many years to count, the only saving grace being that the muffler had a great lifetime guarantee.

Don't buy into stainless exhausts always lasting the life of the car.

2. The radiator on the Craprice didn't give any trouble.

3. What's the point of comparing '99 Accords to '89 F-bodies?


Translation: PONTIAC SALESMAN doesn't like Consumer Reports, because truth told, a copy of CR might scare away potential "prospects."

 

That was such an insightful post, I'll leave it at that

Why compare an '89 F body to a '99 Accord? The radiator in the inferior GM car held up...the Consumer Reports beloved Accord is in a scrap heap. Get it? Without the caps lock on? Or do I need to make myself clearer?

 

Part-time Pontiac Salesman concludes that Consumer Reports doesn't do enough research on 15 year old F-bodies vs. 5 year old Accords? Perhaps the Pontiac Salesman should found a consumer's magazine that exclusively tests GM products.

 

Or maybe you should get your head out of your *** and understand when someone has a point, why they made it, and actually answer their point intelligently. I honestly don't know where you get this stuff...

To bring the post back on topic, hey, its snowing outside right now, up here anyway. Part of the love consumers have for FWD is what's going on right now. People tend to love power, but not everyone loves RWD. I am surprised by Chrysler's move to volume RWD production, but it does have some profound benefits to it. I just wonder how people here in the northeast will start reacting to their new 300s and Magnums later this winter...these cars have not been through a winter yet. All the stability control in the world won't help you when you stop on an icy hill and try to get going again. Granted, this is extreme, but it is a tangible difference between FWD and RWD.

Regardless, I do look forward to Zeta and the upcoming continuation of Chrysler RWD in a big way. I don't think anyone here can't see the reality that the 5.3 GXP and Impala SS are interim measures. But as interim measures go, I think depending on the execution a 300hp GXP will give a Maxima SE a run for its money, performance wise. Plus, handling is an issue as well for the 300 and Magnum...the recent R&T test of the Magnum complained about leaning during aggressive cornering. GPs tend to corner pretty flat and hold the road well for their size. I haven't driven a Magnum yet, but plan to soon

I like to, you know, actually compare cars in person than just based on what a magazine writes about them

 

zed, you really are coming across as extremely juvenile in this argument. Having had experience with the 04 gps, I can tell you that I, being 6'2 and weighing 280, was rather comfortable. while I didnt do a very in depth analysis of every plastics compound and quality in the interior, I can tell you I myself liked it's layout.

Remember, I'm a ford fan, and drive a lincoln when you go to comment on this.

Now kindly calm down, remove your head from your ***, and start talking logic. Thank you. That is all.

 

That means alot coming from a car salesman. I bet that sort of sales technique ("maybe you should get your head out of your ***") moves alot of units up in Massachusetts.


Well I have driven a Magnum RT, and even considered buying one. Which is more than I can say for anything GM is pushing.


Have you driven a 350Z, a G35 or 300C? Have you ever taken a spin in a 7-series? Ever driven a Corvette and Camaro back-to-back on a track? I have. Lose the car saleman attitude.

 

Maybe he isn't trying to sell you a car. Maybe he is concerned about the consequences to your health.

 

I swear, I don't think I have laughed so hard in a long, long time

Actually redzed, in the 300+ cars I sold in 2 years full-time on a sales floor, and over 3,000 posts combined on this forum and 3 others I frequent, I have never told a customer or a fellow internet member to remove their head from their ***. Not on the showroom floor, not in this forum, or any other. I've never needed to.

I guess you're the first. Congrats. There's attitude here, for sure. But it isn't from the car salesman...to the other people reading this post, my apologies for writing the above profanity.

 

Consumer Reports does have lots of interesting information, but there are problems with their reliability rating system. They don't seem to distinguish severity of problems. They also don't take into account of the usage of the cars or maintenance. Still, it's useful for a rough indication.

In my experience, the Camaro is much more reliable than they indicate. *knock on more wood*


As to your friend with the GP, I'm a little surprised he didn't check out the accomodations before buying. The four-door coupe look is going to result in less space. The Chevy Malibu would have been much more commodious if that's what he was looking for.

 

Another butchered thread.

 

Jason..... Dont apolgize for selling cars. I know plenty of car salesman that clear 100k a year. Nothing to be ashamed of.