Originally Posted by AronZ28

So what does insurance run on a Cobalt SS? If it is anywhere as near as ridiculus as a LS1, then I don't see a problem with the V6 Camaro winning young enthusiasts who cannot afford the insurance. If they are both realitively cheap to insure, then the gearhead with 21K to blow will pick whichever one performs the best. I still don't think that the V6 Camaro will be in the same leauge as a Cobalt SS.

Think of it this way. If the V6 Camaro is a dog compared to the Cobalt SS for the same amount of $$$, which would you buy? I wouldn't have any reservations picking the Cobalt SS.

Originally Posted by AronZ28

All I'm saying is there is a potential for the two models to cannilbize each other in sales. If GM does their homework and figures out how to vastly differentiate the two cars, then they can coexist.

Originally Posted by Gloveperson

The name Mustang, along with those things are why it sells. Do you believe that if Ford called the 94-04 Mustang something else, it would have sold so well to women as well (and in general)? Or was the name an extremly important aspact of it. I do not, for one. Is the name Camaro enough, even though it is extremly well known? I think it has the wrong stigma right now, too much of a "guys" car similar to how Eclipse has developed into a "womens" car. The new and last generation Eclipse isn't half bad, but I would never buy one due to stigma attached, and it seems that many guys think the same way.

Originally Posted by Gloveperson

Why do you post things like this? There are rules on this site against insiting flame-wars. You seem to just want to get your two cents in, whether it has anything to do with the discussion or not is irrelevent. I have yet to "argue" with anyone, FYI. I already told you, if you want to argue with me, send me a PM. Since you haven't yet, I will just assume you want more attention by flaming me.



The name Mustang, along with those things are why it sells. Do you believe that if Ford called the 94-04 Mustang something else, it would have sold so well to women as well (and in general)? Or was the name an extremly important aspact of it. I do not, for one. Is the name Camaro enough, even though it is extremly well known? I think it has the wrong stigma right now, too much of a "guys" car similar to how Eclipse has developed into a "womens" car. The new and last generation Eclipse isn't half bad, but I would never buy one due to stigma attached, and it seems that many guys think the same way.

Now, as for my opinion on V6 owners of the past, I do not think they are posers, I think they bought the V6 for the exact reasons why many people have said they have, but that was clearly not enough to keep the Camaro around (cheap performance with low insurance, style and nameplate of the car).



A performance oriented V6 would probably steel some sales from the Cobalt, and vica-versa. I don't really think that is a good thing, as Chevy got the sale, but they have to capture more of the market than they would have to with only one car.

Originally Posted by SFireGT98

Eclipse as a "woman's car"?

I would never drive an Eclipse just because I'm not a big fan of its new style, but I dont think the new Eclipse is known as a "woman's car"......

Trust me (and the 30 some others in this tumbaluckle of a thread), as Guy as said MANY MANY times, good product will sell. We can call it the Chevy Tampon, but if its a great overall product, it will probably sell.

I think its all but confirmed that if a 5th gen exists, the V6 car will exist so why exactly are we debating it. Its a moot point

Originally Posted by falchulk

I would agree the eclipse is a womans car. I cant think of one I have seen in the last few years that was driven by a man. 2 gens ago they were driven mostly by men though.

Originally Posted by SFireGT98

Trust me (and the 30 some others in this tumbaluckle of a thread), as Guy as said MANY MANY times, good product will sell. We can call it the Chevy Tampon, but if its a great overall product, it will probably sell.

Originally Posted by AronZ28

So what does insurance run on a Cobalt SS? If it is anywhere as near as ridiculus as a LS1, then I don't see a problem with the V6 Camaro winning young enthusiasts who cannot afford the insurance. If they are both realitively cheap to insure, then the gearhead with 21K to blow will pick whichever one performs the best. I still don't think that the V6 Camaro will be in the same leauge as a Cobalt SS.

Think of it this way. If the V6 Camaro is a dog compared to the Cobalt SS for the same amount of $$$, which would you buy? I wouldn't have any reservations picking the Cobalt SS.

Originally Posted by Gloveperson

Really? I am to see what the differences are.

Originally Posted by guionM

Firebird demographics compared to Camaro is younger, has more disposable income, higher percentage male, more education, and often more a "Type A" personality.

Nope. Not kidding.

Originally Posted by orbitalshock2k

IMHO mid 200 HP will not be enough. Especially if GM decides to put the LS2 inside the Camaro, and for cripes sake DO NOT detune it. I'd say a 285 HP V6, which is very possibly (Acura and Nissan are making 300 with 3.5 Litres), backed with a 6 speed manual for gas mileage will be a much better seller.

Just my 2 cents

Originally Posted by Ken S

i don't think there should be a V6, and I even think there should be 1 V8 (and perhaps one very expensive, low prod run hi-po V8)

390 hp V8 Camaro Base

RS package for looks (ground effects, wing, wider tires)

Z28 RPO package for looks and suspension, brakes, coolers, hd components, even bigger wider wheels, etc, with a few tweaks for 410 hp. (exhaust, intake, tune)

and perhaps a ZL1 or SS run, with a LS7 engine.. probably would be double the price though.