How about insurance for a base V6 Camaro vs. a Cobalt SS? Witch do you think is going to get a higher insurance premium?

 

I'm saying those brands make coupes and hatches that compete with the v6 mustang. You talk as if the only competitor to the v6 mustang is the focus, and since youve said it isn't a true coupe, it doesn't really eat into mustang sales giving mustang reigns over 6 figure v6 sales. Not the case. There are alot of potential competitors out there. My point was that there are plenty more cars out there that compete with the mustang v6, but yet Ford still manages to move 6 figure v6 mustang annually. I think that's due to Ford making the v6 car somewhat appealing to the masses. Something GM will have to do with the v6 camaro.

People that buy v6 camaro's and mustangs for the most part are NOT doing it for speed. They buy it for different reasons than they would a MC or Cobalt. They don't care if the Cobalt SS is faster or handles better. They want the look and ownership of a mustang/camaro without the crazy fuel/insurance costs.

And a 240hp 3.9L 5spd-6spd manual camaro should be as quick as a Cobalt SS if they keep weight below 3450lbs. Should be good for around mid 14's which is about what the Cobalt SS runs.

So? You still have the Si. The RSX is not dead yet, and will recieve a hp bumb in the coming year to around 220hp. Toyota is pushing scion and will soon offer a blown/turbo version. There's still the Cobalt SS right? There are many more.

You seriously think a Cobalt SS is a replacement? Do you even know how many Cobalt SS's GM plans on selling? Chevy will sell more v8 camaro's than they will Cobalt SS"s. The Cobalt SS is NOT the volume seller the v6 camaro could be.

Nope. For starters, the upcoming RS sounds like a real monster (330hp turbo I-6 and AWD) and will easily cost 30+grand if brought stateside. And it's tamer ST version with Fwd and 220hp would be around 24-25g's minimum which would put it Mustang GT price range. It too would have a fairly small and limited market and the mustang v6 would still sell 6 figures annually.

Cobalt SS and Ford Focus RS are not real threats to coupes like the v6 mustang and v6 camaro if done right.

Cars like the Cobalt SS, EVO, SRT-4, STi, focus RS have limited markets. Just the way things are.

 

You still are not getting that the V6 is NOT a performance car. The Cobalt SS. They are a limited volume enthusiasts car. People buy them for diffrent reasons. By your idea, Chrysler should not make a v6 challenger either as it will never outperform the limited volume srt4??

 

Its a car that looks like a performance car without the penalty of actually owning one. There is a reason why women are the top buyers of the v6. Sexy looks and not all that scary power.

 

The mustang v6 serves the same purpose to the GT. It gives the look they are wanting and costs less. They sold v6 Camaros for years while the mustang did the same. The Monte Carlo is not a pony car. it's not a halo car in the way that a pony car is. Its an image.

 

Thats what the v6 pony cars have always been. Its what the Mustang v6 is today as well.

 

Yes, for many years it sold well. How do you think it lasted 35 years? On the v8 sales alone? The end came for many reasons. Women liked the look of the low slung coupe but hated getting in to it. The core V6 buyer is what allows the v8's to exist. Without them you either have a niche vehicle or nothing at all. Its already been stated that they have dropped the niche approach.

 

heh heh heh, make things up? It has been stated that they were looking at more of a volume vehicle then niche. Why the hell would I make that up? I dont play games guy. You love to argue so have it your way. Just because people stop responding to you it does not mean you are right. Just ignorant.

BTW
niche = v8 performance only, low volume
non niche = Multiple models including v6

 

If/when the Camaro comes back, it will NEED the v6's volume sales, 'nuff said. V6 Mustang sales make up over half of Mustang sales in general. Same deal will happen with the Camaro. GM knows this. The v6 car will exist.

 

GM outright? no. People that know yes. You really should try paying attention during your rants and arguing. You might learn something.

 

I really think to many of you are cought up on this Cobalt SS can replace V6 Camaro. They are two different cars that surve different purposes. They are not as interchangable as many of you think.
Will the Camaro lose some sales to the Cobalt SS? A few maybe.
Flip the coin...
Will the Cobalt SS lose just as many sales to the Camaro? Yes.

One won't/ can't/ will not/ could not replace each other.

 

No, but Red Planet has alluded to the fact that for a 5th gen Camaro to be successful a V6 base car is a necessity.

And you still are wrong on the first and second points.

 

It does not matter if god spoke through his keyboard when he typed the answer to this.............you are just going to disagree.

Oh, and by the way if they were going to build a niche car there would be no reason to study the mustang. They would do better studying the GTO. They are doing volume studies which means that a V6 is a must at this point. Although it may change.

 

Gloveperson,

Why the HELL do you care if GM offers a base V6? You won't buy it...hell, I won't buy it. But SOOOO many people will!!!!!!!! Your arguing is pointless anyway...Red said long ago there would be a base V6. He also said 2 V8s too...I think that means I get my 5.3

A base V6 will help CAFE numbers (especially if it has DoD), be cheaper, have cheaper insurance, appeal to first time buyers and women, all of which are GOOD things. Just because you don't get the point doesn't mean we're all idiots, you know. It won't hurt your car, so why not let the masses have theirs too.

 

Good answer

I don't think that is necessarilly the case. Mustang is in fact a name with great equity, but then again Camaro is also in the top three. I do not think that the name of the car itself is what doomed the 4th Gen base models, but rather the fact that they were in fact too performance oriented (seems contradictory doesn't it?) for their segment. Pony cars are about looking cool first and going fast second. When you are talking about the base segment of the pony cars, you are dealing with a demographic of people that want a stylish car, but for the large part do not want to feel like they are driving a racecar. Even though 4th Gen base cars were in fact more practical than Mustangs in some ways (more cargo space, more passenger space, better fuel economy), they were not quite as accomodating as point to point cars around down due to seating position and the long nose. I was was on a date with a girl who commented after getting out of the my car and looking at it from the outside "Your car is really a lot smaller than it looks from the inside," or something to that effect. If you aren't used to it, which on a test drive nobody would be, the 4th Gens seem like they are huge cars.

If there is a 5th Gen I assume the base car will not be a carbon copy of the 4th Gen base, whereas the V8 will get all the improvements. There have been pretty good indicators that the 5th Gen will move back towards the real Pony car formula and away from dedicated sports car. It is bound to still b e a performer, but it will be a different kind of experience.

I would argue that a V8 only Camaro would not fly economically unless it went the GTO route and was at least $30,000. You just won't get the volume to offer the car for any less than that. Mustang GTs are affordable because they are subsidized by the V6s to an extent.