Best way I could put it is like this

You can make a body strong with a great work out regime.

You can make a body strong with steriods.

Both ways the body is strong, but one relied on enhancers to get you there. Im not one to cry about forced induction. Just for me, Im much more impressed with building it up and making it fast without adding an enhancer. Also, we all know that all things equal, there is no replacement for displacement. So, if John Q wanted to take his V-12 and then on his own strap a blower on it, it would just make it much more powerful.

A V8 with a blower may be faster than what Ford tinkered with in the V12......but that V12 with a blower on it would be have even more potential. Contrary to what they were pitching.

 

You mean like this one?

http://www.turbovan.net/van.html

 

That's true, but there's also a point where that's not relevant anymore.

Sure, you could theoretically take the F50's N/A V12 and put twin turbos on it, like the F40's V8 had.

Are you going to, though?

What is going to be best for the consumer buying the car? Domestic guys seem to have this aversion to forced induction, because it's an "import thing" (those Paxton supercharged Shelby Mustangs back in the 60's still seem to fetch a pretty penny for some reason, I wonder why?). By that logic, OHC is an "import thing" and Variable Valve Technology is an "import thing." Are these cheating? Should those stay off of our cars too? At what point do the domestics pick up on technology instead of staying in the past because it might be deemed a "cop out" or an "import thing"?

And what would you rather have, a 3L N/A straight six with VVT, 6 throttle bodies, DOHC, the works to get all of the N/A HP it could possibly have, or a 2.6L turbocharged DOHC engine, making the same HP stock and just some more boost away from an awful lot more hp? (I'm thinking BMW M3 vs. Nissan Skyline here). Now take the BMW motor. It's built from the factory to it's full potential. You could, theoretically, put forced induction on it...but not without changing the bottom end, not without changing the way the intake system works, the way the exhaust system works, etc. Now take the Skyline motor. You can get a boost controller, up the boost, and you have more hp. Get a new downpipe, get new exhaust (ok, that applies to both), get a new turbo...it's not unheard of to see 1300hp out of these cars with a new bottom end (http://www.exvitermini.com/).

Now, which of these cars has more potential? Where's the BMW M3 putting out 1000hp?

In all reality, factory motor vs. factory motor, the turbo motors generally have more potential for realistic gain. There's a guy floating around here with a Plymouth Laser he spent $2,500 on and ran 12's in with just upping the boost. That's nothing to scoff at. But does that car with a turbo engine have less potential? What has more? A Fox Mustang? Ok, so what does it take to get the Fox Mustang to realize it's potential and beat out this turboed car?

I dunno, I see guys with FI cars getting big gains with little stuff (like chips and pulleys) while if I want a big gain I'm looking at heads or a cam. It doesn't make me feel like I'm the one with a lot of potential here.

Just like that one, in fact!

 

Yeah well it's funny how pre-production price announcements and MSRP / window prices change dramatically when people are looking the other way. I will not be surprised if it's $150K+. On the other hand, I hope to see it for $100K-.

As far as superchargers, I don't know if cheating is the right word but it's close. I do see it as the easy way out and as something that wasn't meant to be. Call it a baseless stereotype, but yes I do see forced induction setups as being long-term less reliable and more likely to suffer meltdowns (not literally). I'd have to see lots of contrary data to ever have a change of mind about that.

 

I don't really think forced induction is cheating. However I do find it ironic that an "exotic" would use a supercharged truck engine to get the job done.

 

Nope. The performance is the closest thing that could be described as exotic concerning The Z06. All of you seemed to have adopted a pretty loose definition for the term "exotic." I elluded to this before. Exotics tend to be hand-built, very limited, and with incredible levels of prestige and low availability...unattainable, with jaw-dropping looks and perfromance to back it up. Now the Z06 and standard Corvette are beautiful cars, but they don't generate the same reaction a Lambo or Ferrari does. It's fun to root for the home team, but let's not blur things so as it's pricetag is the only reason it isn't mentioned in the same sentence.

Ok, for those who have less attention for detail, I'll repost it.

And yes, $150k is the same ballpark as $125k. If you can afford an $125k car, I bet $150k isn't going to be a problem.

 

As we all know, blowers and turbos are nice but doing it N/A is SO much sweeter.

Didn't Ford want to use a V8 because the original was a V8 and not a V10 or 12? It's just too bad they don't have much to work with for an N/A engine.