Yeah, i See what you're saying. I still think a totally new car, such as a Cien for example, would fare well in this market too. But what do I know? Can't say I know any of buyers in this segment or their mentality/preferences.

Keep in mind the Ford GT isn't the only "bargain" out there. The Ferrari 360 and upcoming "baby" Lambo L140/Galardo are in the same ballpark at $140-150k.

 

You bet I do! If it can't go two and a half times as fast, it shouldn't cost two and a half times as much!

Yeah well I respectfully disagree and once again direct your attention to the Corvette Z06. If you can beat that bargain, by all means, do.

 

I thought FORD said that the GT would come in just under 100K???? What happened to that???

 

That logic is flawed. By your wording, the vette must be a rip-off too cause it's far from being twice as fast as a $23k z28. Heck, you even get the same exact motor and 6spd as the c5. I bet you're wondering why they didn't price it at 23k just like the z28. Come on.

There's obviously more that goes into building a car. The GT and z06 aren't built equal just as the camaro and vette aren't built equal. The "You get what you pay for" saying applies. You're comparing a mid engined 500hp aluminum bodied hand built exotic with a topspeed of over 200+mph to a fiberglass bodied supercar. There's a reason why it costs more and it's really not hard to understand.

Refer to my top post since it applies here too. Ohhh, and $50k is from being a bargain. If you want bargain and speed, there are plenty of cheaper cars (the late ls-1 f-bod or the 03 Cobra just to name a few).

 

The thread was about "exotic" cars and the level of value among them. As such, your F-body reference is totally irrelevant here. They're not "exotic" in any sense of the word. They are (or were, once) affordable musclecars meant to be used, not framed. Actually, since you bring it up, they're nearly as fast as Corvettes for roughly half the cost, which highlights the GT as an even bigger ripoff. I mean what does it come with, a platinum engine block? For over six figures, I better be seeing some serious a$$-whopping of the competition, but it just doesn't appear to be there. It's just simply overpriced because it's the first and only Ford of its kind in this generation. I'll have to wait for the real-world performance stats and the sticker price to make a final judgement, but my mind is made up as to its value. The original quote "mine goes faster, and I didn't get ripped off", which is ludicrous, is what I've been responding to. Of course it will appeal and sell to those few who have the money to spend and the Ford enthusiasm, but in the end they're not getting their money's worth by a long shot. It's been said that anyone can make a fast exotic car; only Chevy does it for half the price. That's my point here.

 

LOL at the block comment. Do you think the GT will have recalls??

The thing that gets me is that $35,000 for a top model affordable musclecar is becoming common and starting to be considered cheap even when compared to exotics. That doesn't make it right just because those cars are crazy expensive, they've gotta realize that if these cars were lower in price they would sell alot more and actually make more money from sales and not the high price.

 

Do you guys really think the buyers of these cars are looking at the back of the current MT comparing stats before they go out to buy?? Not getting their money's worth? They'll be owning an exclusive car, 1 of what, 1500 to be built! Of course it is not a thrifty decision, just as the investment in any car in a lofty price range. While performance is measuring stick of such cars, so is image--and that's where you can't compare this car to a Corvette. Simply put, the Corvette is not an exotic, and I doubt it even comes into the equation when someone is considering a Ford GT purchase, just as with the Viper. The Corvette is a great bargain and performs with cars twice its price, but let's not get carried away. There's reasoning behind the GT not being a mass-produced car, and that certainly includes maintaining desirability, prestige and image--to get you dreaming about a Ford again. All which is the intent of a halo, and in this case, exotic car.

 

Who is Ford's market for this car and who are they trying to compete with? It's true, at the price of the GT, they will be up against a Farrari, or the new Lambo(as mentioned) and a DB7 and all that. I would think that those people in that market would go strait to the Farrari or lambo, for just the name alone. I think the only way the Ford will do well is if they have a VERY high-profile introduction and a flawless one too. If it doesn't have the "snoot" factor, then I don't think it will do well. That's what those cars are all about. We shall see.

 

Thank you. You have just saved me a lengthy reply. I will add my 2 cents in though.

Like jrp4us said, the vette is no exotic. You don't see an exotic about 3 to 5 times on your way to work. Not to bag on the vette but i've seen better interior quality on $30k cars. It isn't made out of the highest quality materials. Other then the performance numbers of the z06, there's nothing exotic about the vette. It's an excellent sports car and a good value for those that have the money but is no exotic in my eyes. So comparing it to the likes of the 911 turbo's, Ford GT's and the lambo's, is no different then someone comparing a cheaper built Camaro to a vette. In the camaro, you're paying 23k for the same 1/4 miles, as well as the same engine and tranny as the twice as expensive c5. But there's a reason why the vette costs twice as much and i think you know why. And the camaro at 23k has allot more similarities to the 40-50k vettes then the vette does to cars costing over twice as much.

The vette was never an exotic. A supercar? yes, but it's no exotic.

So you wouldn't compare the z28 to a vette but will compare it to the GT?


I'll let you look up the specs. I doubt the GT will have any trouble with it's competition. It sits lower, is sleeker, weighs less, and the power numbers match or beat most of them. The brakes are huge and added to it's lightweight body will work very well. Overall, it sounds like a good performance car.


It all depends on the individual buyer. I think they're getting their money's worth. They'd be getting exclusivity, class, good quality materials, heritage, etc. that's all wrapped up in a mid engine exotic that'll out-perform the 911 turbos, GT2's, and about every Ferrari short of the mega buck Enzo. The GT wasn't aimed at the z06's or vettes but the Porsches and lower to mid end Ferrari's.

The z06 is an excellent car but it isn't in the same class or league as the GT. Just as the GT isn't in the same class as the Ferrari Enzo or Mclaren F1.

 

Well the Vette is about the most "exotic" thing GM has right now and it runs with some pretty serious contenders up around 10 times its price. That is until the Cien ever comes out, if it does. I have no doubt that'll be another car with a 3-figure production with a 6-figure price, so this outlandish pricing thing runs across party lines, as it were. I'm definitely not a Ford enthusiast in any sense, but the GT is an awesome car, no doubt. I can't think of anything I would change about it in an ideal world. Except the price of course. And oh yeah maybe try and get that 500HP/500TQ naturally aspirated next time? But other than that, it's got my thumbs up, contrary to my previous posts on this thread.

 

C'mon, guys. How about a little history? Ford--yes FORD--took the GT40 and dominated the greatest endurance race in the world--Le Mans-- with their little car, and the new GT is heir to that throne. The GT40 was so dominant that it caused Ferrari, who owned Le Mans in the early 60's, to withdraw from endurance racing in the late 60s as a "factory' team.

Anyone who buys a GT need make no apologies to anyone. Period. Ford has a long and grand racing and high performance heritage--generally better than GM, who's never really competed in Europe or Indy at a high level in its history except for the recent C-5Rs (the recent Cadillac endurance effort has been very poor, and GM has never done anything in Formula One; Ford has won a number of world titles as an engine maker, and done pretty well in Champ car racing as an engine builder over the years), and few cars have been built that will look or perform any better than the new GT. We all should be proud one of our two remaining American car companies is building such a car.

 

How many retro cars can Ford fit in it's line-up? Every concept and show car they have done in the past few years is retro. If they want to do a "supercar" or "exotic", great but make something fresh for god sake. Look foward not back. I will avoid going on a rant about the subject. I still have a hard time believing that the target buyer will choose this over a Farrari.

 

The only thing that isnt exotic about a Z06, not an ordinary vette, is the pricetag. As far as perfromance on all levels go, it will pretty much match or outperform almost anything up to and under 200K,for the most part. The reason you see so many Vette's is a testimony to the reasonable price for such performance. Exotics are all about image and price. THATS it. If Ferrari's made Modena's with slightly less the interior and about 1/3 of the price youd see them as much as you see Vettes.

Personally I love the GT. It has heritage, it has a really cool look, and a nice wow factor. But if a Z06 is no exotic neither is the GT. Not ragging on Ford, but the car still has a blue Oval in the front of it. For that price the car better not only go fast, but it better be on par (all around performance) with all the other exotics in that range. And good lord Ford, make it fast NA, is it not possible for you?

 

I don't think so. They kinda got the import thinking, "lets just throw a charger on it."

 

Ferrari tried that, and that's why the F40 with it's twin turbo V8 was faster than the F50 with it's V12.

I really don't get why domestic car fans are so scared of forced induction. It's a good way to get streetable horsepower, and can be built just as reliable as an N/A engine. With better emissions and streetability. But no, I'd rather have a huge cam and high compression so I can have a crappy idle and have to run expensive gas and octane boosters, so I'm not "cheating" and running a blower.



This same stuff comes up with the new Cobra all the time..."try that without a blower next time guys"...why?!

My friend can get an SR20DET for his 240SX for $1800, get a new turbo for it for $1000-2000 and run 400hp reliably on stock internals. Still be streetable. Still pass smog.

It saddens me greatly to see the aversion domestic guys have to forced induction as a whole. Turbochargers are GOOD. Maybe if domestic guys didn't think they were "cheating" or a "cop out" we'd have some turbo V8s out there. Remember the GNX?

I saw a 12 second Dodge Caravan once. Never saw a 12 second Windstar. I wonder if the Turbo had anything to do with that.

I love seeing stuff like "just slap a blower on it." Re-engineering an engine for forced induction (the 4.6SC: new block, rotating assembly, heads, cams, intake) is a cop out but tweaking the heads cam and intake (LS6) is an awesome motor anyone should be proud to have.

On the topic of the Ford GT...I remember ford saying it would probably come out for less than $100,000 recently...the highest I ever remember hearing was $125,000...I love how in this thread it's ballooned up to $150,000 or "as much as a Lambo" (and the new Murcielago costs $273,000)