You own a Monte Carlo SS...............

 

Well, you keep bringing up the $19,000 base price, but fail to mention the $1000 (or was it $1500) rebate (and another thou if you had the heritage tours certificate). Not to mention what you negotiate after that. Nobody paid $19k for a stripped Camaro, there were advertised here for 13-14k in the paper. Not saying you got drilled w/ this car or anything, but My Formula was loaded w/ the exception of the changer, and it stickered for 27 and change, I got it for 23 and change. This was w/ all the power stuff, side moulding, rear defoger, ect all STANDARD (on Firebirds but not Camaros). Interestingly, the T/A w/ similar options to mine was only $1000 more, which equated to only a ground effects package, different nose, and bigger spoiler. The $1800 that Chevrolet charged for the ground effects only (no spoiler or nose job) seems like a rip to me.

However, I will go along w/ your value argument. For me personally, I would have not bought an Fbody w/ a V6, because to me, the car wasn't worth it w/out the LS1. This is not a putdown on the car, there were just too many other interesting things out there than a V6 Fbody. If i had to stay GM, I probably would have gotten a GP if I had to go V6. Now if I were seriously budget limited, and the v8 was simply not an option, then I may have gone v6 Fbody, but at only a couple thou more, it was a no brainer for me.

I come back to what I feel the next Camaro should be, and I keep using the Acura CL as an example. The "base car" is very good, and very loaded. The type S is simply an engine/suspension/wheel package on top of what already is a good car, and desireable in it's own right. I wonder if the Camaro had this same type of appeal in its base form, and the SS/Z28 "options" were just icing on the cake, how it would do.

 

What does this have to do with anything?? You've spent 3 days complaining that they cost too much, and you bought one.

 

Yes. I do. And it's a great car.

What is your point?

You have owned a bunch of clunkers up until the Camaro , if you wanna try to take jabs....

 

What’s wrong with the Monte? Its a cool car. Very well styled. Maybe not a performer, but still cool. I think If I wasn't a Camaro enthusiast and at a Chevy dealership, the MC would probably win my sale before the V6 Camaro did.

 

Are you blind??? The Monte Carlo is ugly....It's not only my opinion, but pretty much every review I have read syas the same...I am willing to bet 2 outta every three people you ask wouldn;t like the stlying. It is akward and all outta proportion...the back is too big the front looks like an afterthought...the C-pillar is wrong...Dealers around here have to sell them by explaining that the odd looks are because of NASCAR's areodyamics rules. I did test drive one and it seemed really big and ponderous....and had the same interiro quality as a Camaro. Also the $27,000 they were asking for an SS is frigging outragous. I think at least 50-70% are sold because Lil' E drives one at Daytona....

I wonder what the sales numbers on the MC ar really...and what how it would do if it wasn't the only domestic in the midsized coupe class.

In short the reason I bought the Monte up is "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones".

 

Branden I'm not trying to flame you but maybe you should step away from the computer and go get some fresh air. Your a decent guy and you post good information for the most part. I agree with some things you have said but this thread is getting run into the ground. Your starting to directly attack people opinions. Not cool. If two out of three people don’t like MC I guess me and Darth are one of those idiot third people. Maybe we should start to end this thread its not going any where.

 

OMG, Branden, can you please stop with the utterly useless BS?!?
You are so immature and clueless for someone who tries to be a "GM Insider"!


I suppose you are there everytime every salesman shows every Monte Carlo and everyone of them uses your NASCAR story? Pu-lease. I'd wager you never heard it once and just made it up!

Regardless, looks are subjective, as I'd think you'd understand by now. I think your Camaro looks tacky with those tacked on, overpriced ground effects, but hey - it's your choice.

As for the price... you're wrong. My 2002 Monte Carlo SS has every single option except for the Sport Appearance Package, which isn't my thing... sticker was $26,500 I believe, it had a $2500 rebate as well. after negotiaing, I got it for $24,100 - after the rebate it equals $21,600, or what you paid for YOUR car.... hmmmm... ya, I think I got robbed.

Same interior quality as Camaro?!?!? You've GOT to be kidding!!! I had a 99 Z28 for 3 years. The Monte's interior quality is LIGHT YEARS beyond Camaro. Don't even try to say otherwise. Why don't you look up those quality reports you so often like to quote when you are arguing on the other side of this fence that you jump over every other week!

Ever hear of the Grand Prix GT and GTP COUPE??? Ya, up until 2004 , they were available too, remember?

 

OMG... I have to agree with Branden on this one. The Monte's are ugly as sin IMO. I would never consider buying one for a minute.... I'd actually consider a Mustang before I was forced to buy a Monte... heck I'd even consider an IMPORT!

Everyone has their own opinions and tastes. However, IMO, people that buy Monte's have no taste.

Sorry, I that offends anyone, but that's how I feel.

 

I never said you were idiots...I am saying it is stupid to make fun of someone for buying a V6 Camaro that stickered for $24,000 yet drive a Monte Carlo SS...that is slower with same engine, FWD, same cheap GM interior, and aside from room has no technology or otherwise advantages. On top of that it stickers for $27,000

I have been flamed this whole thread...as always for having a V6...but I start to dish it out and I have to hear crap.

 

YOU are the one complaining about what a rip off the V6 Camaro is... noone else!!!!

I'm the one saying it's no where near as bad as you always make it out to be!!!

Good Lord, quit smoking the crack !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I agree, it is stupid. Just because I don't like the styling of the Monte myself, doesn't mean I think people who buy them are idiots. It's just not anything I'd ever consider.

I honestly don't see Camaro and Monte buyers as being the same people. Not that one is better than the other... just different tastes.

No offense intended Darth... really.

 

Hey Formula....you should have gone Pontiac! Observe....

I figured your sticker against mine, here's how it came out. Our base prices were $5490 apart, but our options (minus my chrome wheels and leather) were $3395 apart, and you ended up on the bad side. Heres how it went down...everything in you PEG was standard on mine w/ the exception of the alarm and keyless entry. I got remote keyless, alarm, power seat and T-tops for $1505. Your traction control was a bargain at $250 (mine was $450, I got ripped ) Your sport appearance pkg, if you want to keep it, could have been offset by just getting a T/A at $1000 more than mine (save $345 ). Automatic....$815 for you, standard for me (although I got the no cost 6 spd option). Performance Handling package...would have been irrelevant w/ the LS1, would have gotten it as part of the deal. Power seat....you $270, me part of my $1505 ttop/power pkg). Rear defogger....you $170 (although you'll be happy to know thats what it cost in 1992 as well)....mine, standard. Body side moulding...you $60...me, standard.

All told, your base price was 18,415, mine was 23,905. your options were $5350, mine were $1995 (I didn't include the chrome wheels or leather, but they were $1170 ttl if you care). Destination charge was the same, and our totals came up to $24,340 for you, $26,435 for me. For $2095, you get the LS1 (would you believe we get the same city mpg, and I get 28 to your 30 on the highway?), 245/50 ZR's (standard on Formulas by the way, no 235/55's here), power antenna, and monsoon stereo. That's the kind of value I was talking about. If you like ground effects, add $1000 to that and get a T/A (w/ MUCH nicer seats I might add), and even then $3000 for all of the above plus lumbar and lateral support seats!

Again, I'm not trying to bash your car or anything, these were just the criteria I used when I was buying...the cost savings of the V6 just didn't add up to what you were losing from a performance perspective.

 

You spew alot of BS yourself...

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I suppose you are there everytime every salesman shows every Monte Carlo and everyone of them uses your NASCAR story? Pu-lease. I'd wager you never heard it once and just made it up!

Atcually that line got me a job at a Chevy dealer once...I was in an interview for a sales position and the manage took me to a new (at teh time) Monte Calro SS and asked how I would sell a product that was obviously as ugly as it. I told him the BS story about how I would explain to the coustomer that the akward curves on the Monte were to meet NASCARS aero dynamic's rules and make the car faster than the Taurus. He was like damn...thats the same story we have been telling all the sales people to use!..and offered me the job. I had three points on my liscense and couldn't take it though.

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Regardless, looks are subjective, as I'd think you'd understand by now. I think your Camaro looks tacky with those tacked on, overpriced ground effects, but hey - it's your choice.

I am sure my car gets a bit more compliments than yours. I ahve never heard the "tacked on ground effects" insult from anyone but Camro owners really. Also no onw would spew that BS line to a WS6 owner..

Wait doesn't the SS package include ground effects too....Just throwing stones from inside that glass house....

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As for the price... you're wrong. My 2002 Monte Carlo SS has every single option except for the Sport Appearance Package, which isn't my thing... sticker was $26,500 I believe, it had a $2500 rebate as well. after negotiaing, I got it for $24,100 - the rebate which equals $21,600, or what you paid for YOUR car.... hmmmm... ya, I think I got robbed.

Did you get the one with Tazz on the side?

Now that i look the one I saw at the dealer was a High Sport Appearence package which bases at $26,600. Either way it is over priced for how low tech it is...Plus with the Supercharged SS's coming out at near the same price your car's resale price will drop faster than a hardtop V6 camaro

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Same interior quality as Camaro?!?!? You've GOT to be kidding!!! I had a 99 Z28 for 3 years. The Monte's interior quality is LIGHT YEARS beyond Camaro. Don't even try to say otherwise. Why don't you look up those quality reports you so often like to quote when you are arguing on the other side of this fence that you jump over every other week!

We must be looking at different cars because the Monte I drove had the same black cave like cheap plastic interior in my car....To say your car has a fantastic interior shows how valid your opinon is...

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Ever hear of the Grand Prix GT and GTP COUPE??? Ya, up until 2004 , they were available too, remember?

Yes...but they were not marketed as a seperate model like the Monte Carlo and Impala....Were thier ever ads of TAZZ running from a Grand Prix Coupe?

 

I have a V6 and no one is giving me crap, oh wait maybe because my post aren't outlandish. I tried being nice about it before but your arguments aren’t going anywhere.