Shut yer pie hole V6 boy!

 

I understand your point fully...the issue is I couldnt buy my car untill January...by taht point dealers wouldn't let thier V8 cars go at under sticker and in many cases had marked them up. Also as far as options I was at what was on the dealers lots mercy...which means most cars were options laden. If I remember right when I bought my car there was like 100 Formulas left. My dealer was willing to DX any car within 500 miles (pretty reasonable) I wanted....every V8 car they found was over $27,000 in that area and I couldn't afford (the dealer didn't know that and wanted to sell me one), so I told him I wanted a V6 car with T-tops and Ground effects...since if I was getting a V6 I wanted it to look nice. The car i have now was the only one with those options in 500 miles.

 

Nah! Its because yours is GREEN!

 

Haha,

Yeah it is! Best color on our cars!

 

I hear you. When I bought mine, all I could ever find were black ones w/ autos, thats why I GMO'd mine. The good part is that I have yet to see a red Formula like mine...anywhere (although I did see a WS6 version ).

 

Perhaps, In your opinion, but I make a conscious effort to go out of my way to see both sides of things, even if I disagree, and I rarely flame anyone.

I don't believe this for a second... about the only thing I believe is that you may have gone to a Chevy dealer, and may have got turned down for a job.


How are you sure you get more compliments than me? Do you have a running poll with people who see your car and those who see mine?

You're right, I wouldn't 'spew that line' abouit the ground effects to a WS6 owner... because I think the WS6 ground effects look nice. The Camaro Sport Appearance ground effects look like tacked on afterthought... to me ... you like, you get em, glad their an option.

Yes, my Monte Carlo SS has ground effects. I like them. They complete the way the car takes the ground over the bse LS versions. They do not look tacked on IMO, and I do not like the ground effects extentions that the Monte Carlo Sport Appearance package offers (though I think they look better than the Camaro version) and that's why I did not pay for them.



No. Don't know that they even make one. What does this mean? Why are you typing this? Grow up.


Ya, you're right, I'd imagine the non-supercharged Monte SS's will drop a bit in value... so be it, I wanted a car last August, not a year and a half later... again, what is your point!??


Again, pull out you quality rating you have so close by when you want to use them...

You are kidding yourself if you think Camaro's interior components and quality level is even close to Monte Carlo's I can say this because I've OWNED BOTH. SO I'd say my opinion is a heck of a lot more valid than your's here.


Who cares if they were marketed as two models? WHat is your point? What is your deal with the Tazz thing too?!?!?

 

I'm going to try and get this thread back on track here.

The V8 versions of the F-body were an excellent value for people who wanted a fast car, even more so for people who knew exactly how fast is was. But most of the car buying public didn't realize just how fast the car was and probally equated it along the lines with other sports cars in it's class. (no thanks to car magazines). In reality the performance was worth all the rattles and crappy fit & finish, but to most people it was "why should I buy this pos with a hump in the floor when I can get a much nicer _____ which is almost as fast?"

The same can be said about the V6 versions of the car. Everything Z28 but the engine basicly, decently fast for the money, and was a much better pick from a performance standpoint than many FWD imports of the time. It just suffered from the same fate as the V8 version, but more so because it didn't have an LS1 class of motor to keep it alive. Not only that but people HATE V6 F-bodies. For example, say your 16 and ask about buying a Camaro on this very site. The response you'll get is "The V8 is too dangerous for you, and the V6 is not even a real Camaro so don't bother with it." This is from a F-body website!!!Isn't there a problem in there somewhere? Are poor sales hard to grasp?

Also, keep in mind dealers don't keep "cheap" models of cars on the lot. 90% of anything on the lot is a maxed out loaded version. Add that fact to GMs craptastic factory ordering system and much of the F-body bargins were lost in the shuffle.

 

Point is I tried to look up Grand Prix Coupe sales and couldn;t because Pontiac lists the sales as Grand Prix with no mention of coupe and sedan. Where Monte Carlo and Impala are listed as two different cars. As for Tazz...I meant when was the last time GM advertised just a Grand Prix Coupe...never..yet the Monte got its own ad campiagn the halo effect of NASCAR and only sold ~60,000 cars.

Ground effects are tacked on...get over it....also I am pretty sure my car would win a looks contest with yours....just not hear because people seem to liek to play devils advocate.

As far as rarely flaming anyone I can't post one think without a smart assed response from you...


Far as quality survey's...the Firebird one a JD Power appeal award last year....and if I posted that everyone would call BS so whats the poiont of even posting them?

I know my opinion doesn't count...so here is what the auto mags say about your car......

http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caran...lass=24&page=3

 

Irrelevant. The Coupe was made. Therefore there was another player in the field. How hard is that to understand. They built the car.

OK, if you say so... because you seem to know all.

By the logic of ' all ground effects look tacked on' , I guess we can say 'all cars look the same'

Do you understand that the same ground effects are not on Camaro, Trans Am, and Monte Carlo SS?


I may disagree with you, but I rarely flame you... and you make it very hard sometimes. I disagree with about 75% of the pure, nonsensical BS that you type... though there have been things I've agreed with you on, and said so.

Do me a favor: RE-READ THIS WHOLE THREAD AND SEE WHERE YOU START YOUR ARGUEMENT, AND SEE WHERE YOU ARE NOW... a complete 180*, and the sad thing is you don't even realize it!

Read this. JD Powers APPEAL award... not QUALITY award. Do you know what the difference is?

I never said you opinion doesn't count... I never have said anyone's doesn't count. But you do put forward you opinions and supposed 'facts' the way a 2nd grader would argue that his Pokemon is better than someone elses Digimon (or whatever those things are called)


What's your point here? There are always bad reviews and good reviews for cars. I don't think I need to dig up a bunch of bad Camaro reviews do I? I don't agree with those, and I don't agree wit this one.

 

Wow, now here's a thread that's taken a turn for the worse.

To me, a base Camaro is expensive for what it is, and certainly gets costly as the options are added. I think that is the reason most people took the jump to the V8 in the later years of the 4th gen. Add in no marketing and no product freshening or any other reason for magazines to rave over it, and you get a car that is out of mind for buyers and now out of production. You know what I think I have never seen? An article from a major magazine that pitted the V6 fbody up against other comparable models. Magazines are certainly a major factor in selling cars, and that the base car was an afterthought with them leaves little reason to question why it was an afterthought with buyers. Both realize there are better cars for the money.

BTW, the biggest incident of over-pricing in this department has to go the the '02 V6 Camaro Convertible which was in the neighborhood of $27000!! That is insane!

 

Gosh, I go away for a few hours & come back you guys give me a a whole few pages to catch up on!

In defense of the V6 Camaro, it is a very quick car. If you drive ANY Camaro from the 1980s that doesn't have a 350, you have absolutely no room to complain about the V6s performance. In base form (that means without power anything that's not standard) it will give any stock 305 a run for the money (till it's governer kicks in) and will match 1st year 4.6 Mustangs.

My sister has one with no electric anything but mirrors and the only real options are the alumunum wheels, T-top & an aftermarket stereo (it even has a stick!). She bought it for far less than $24,000, and because it's jet black in & out, and has dark tint windows (Arizona) she gets heaps of attention without resorting to ground effects or stripes. I've driven it, and it's plenty quick. Yes she's ran it. Yes she's won quite alot.

As for the Monte Carlo, just to give some of you east-coasters a heads-up. You know most all car fads start in SoCal before they spread across the country. Alot of the grown up rice racers are getting Monte Carlos and throwing on 20" wheels, lowering them, and in a few instances, putting decals on them as well. I saw a black one last week that had everything except decals & it looked pretty d*mn near awesome.