A followup on the Camaro marketing thread...
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Originally posted by guionM
Good grief! Is that $1,800 just for the sports appearence package?! Overall, I think you would have been better off by simply getting a base (as possible) Z28!
My impulse would have been to skip the sport appearence package & the Automatic, but while my 5 speed manual SC never had a problem with urban California traffic (still original when I sold it at 140,000 miles), and neither did my 5.0, while my Z28's clutch was comparatively sh*tty. It ripped in half at 45,000 miles, so I won't blame you for going with the automatic.
Good grief! Is that $1,800 just for the sports appearence package?! Overall, I think you would have been better off by simply getting a base (as possible) Z28!My impulse would have been to skip the sport appearence package & the Automatic, but while my 5 speed manual SC never had a problem with urban California traffic (still original when I sold it at 140,000 miles), and neither did my 5.0, while my Z28's clutch was comparatively sh*tty. It ripped in half at 45,000 miles, so I won't blame you for going with the automatic.
Well looked at the dealer...and I only payed $21 for mine which is a good deal.
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Originally posted by formula79
Why would they streach to buy it? A Camaro SS was $30K plus. I am sure if some who can afford a $35K car can streach even more to buy a Corvette or GTO?
Would you pay $20K+ for the 4 banger base car that is seeming likely?
The Camaro was way too expensive in the end for what it was. For a new car price levels will have to stay the same or go down slightly (factoing inflation) to be succesful. When the 4th generation T/A came out the price fell from $24,500 for a 92 GTA to $22K for a 93 T/A. As prices in the 4th gen rose sales declined.
The $37,000 they asked for the CE T/A was simply out rageous.
Why would they streach to buy it? A Camaro SS was $30K plus. I am sure if some who can afford a $35K car can streach even more to buy a Corvette or GTO?
Would you pay $20K+ for the 4 banger base car that is seeming likely?
The Camaro was way too expensive in the end for what it was. For a new car price levels will have to stay the same or go down slightly (factoing inflation) to be succesful. When the 4th generation T/A came out the price fell from $24,500 for a 92 GTA to $22K for a 93 T/A. As prices in the 4th gen rose sales declined.
The $37,000 they asked for the CE T/A was simply out rageous.
By the same token...if I had that same 27grand burning a hole in my pocket...and a car that didn't meet the above criteria was available for $20K....there is no chance that I would buy it.
I guess the big "take away" from this is, that GM should not expend too much energy trying to build the cheapest, chinzyest Camaro, with a half baked chassis in order to reach a drop dead bottom dollar price. Because if they do......that ultra low end market is the only one that they can hope to conquer.
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Originally posted by guionM
Also, if one can't afford a $19,000-23,000 car, that person should stick with a Kia or Neon. The average price of a new car today is $30,000. Last I checked, it wasn't a constitutional right for someone to buy 4 wheeled rockets for $20,000. Neon's SRT fit's this bill neatly, and it's the only car to do this.
Also, if one can't afford a $19,000-23,000 car, that person should stick with a Kia or Neon. The average price of a new car today is $30,000. Last I checked, it wasn't a constitutional right for someone to buy 4 wheeled rockets for $20,000. Neon's SRT fit's this bill neatly, and it's the only car to do this.
Speaking of cost-effective domestic rice - it's coming on pretty strong. I have even seen a couple commercials for the SVT Focus last week - I was blown away. I don't think I have ever seen SVT advertising ANYTHING on TV before this.
Back to the point, I do beleive that price is a factor in what youger folks buy, but not the determining factor. I think IMAGE IS EVERYTHING (to quote 7-up's slogan). The most important thing to a teenager or college adult is to look good - even before demonstrating your performance capabilities. Hence the GT-looking package on the V6 Mustang for '03 (the Pony option).
Anyhow, it's been interesting to see everyone's personal thoughts on age v. car-buying mentality. I started out in a 4-banger myself, and went to a big V8 at the age of 21. Had a V8 ever since too!
Now I'm above the average Mustang-buyer's age, and looking purely at limited-ed's and collectible iron for new purchases. I buy all my drivers used to cheat the depreciation curves.
Does that stereotype me for anything?
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Originally posted by ProudPony
Speaking of cost-effective domestic rice - it's coming on pretty strong. I have even seen a couple commercials for the SVT Focus last week - I was blown away. I don't think I have ever seen SVT advertising ANYTHING on TV before this.
Speaking of cost-effective domestic rice - it's coming on pretty strong. I have even seen a couple commercials for the SVT Focus last week - I was blown away. I don't think I have ever seen SVT advertising ANYTHING on TV before this.
The SVT Focus is a very conservative package, much like the lame Honda Civic Si. IMO the SVT model is too close to a $13,000 ZX3 to justify the 20K price. If SVT is serious, they'd better get with the program.
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Originally posted by Chewbacca
That's $3800 (and xxx amount of weight) with which to set your car apart from the crowd and infuriate the local ricers at the stoplight. Just a thought.
That's $3800 (and xxx amount of weight) with which to set your car apart from the crowd and infuriate the local ricers at the stoplight. Just a thought.
Maybe the v6 camaro is the wrong car to target the sub $20k ricer crowd. If branden could have gotten his w/o the ground effects for $19k i would understand, but there are so many other cars in the market that fill this niche much better. Focus, Celica, RSX, GTI, Neon SRT....
I think Camaro shouldn't be targeted at this audience at all, it should continue to run with the big boys. Which brings up the question,
Should the next Camaro offer a v-6 if it only puts out 200hp and stickers for $22k?
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Being that the SVT Focus and the SRT-4 Neon will be close in price, of course there's going to be a tendacy to say "Focus who?
I think that's going to change very very soon, though. Focus SVT ( actually the entire SVT program) is run by John Coletti, who basically has been handed a license to create the fastest cars possible (seems the enviromentally concious Bill Ford is a bit of a speed freak).
SVT is putting the finishing touches on a very, very fast Focus that will likely run with or out run the new Neon.
Within a year and a half, this market is going to produce some cars that you simply can't imagine!
I think that's going to change very very soon, though. Focus SVT ( actually the entire SVT program) is run by John Coletti, who basically has been handed a license to create the fastest cars possible (seems the enviromentally concious Bill Ford is a bit of a speed freak).
SVT is putting the finishing touches on a very, very fast Focus that will likely run with or out run the new Neon.
Within a year and a half, this market is going to produce some cars that you simply can't imagine!
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Originally posted by slt
Maybe the v6 camaro is the wrong car to target the sub $20k ricer crowd. If branden could have gotten his w/o the ground effects for $19k i would understand, but there are so many other cars in the market that fill this niche much better. Focus, Celica, RSX, GTI, Neon SRT....
I think Camaro shouldn't be targeted at this audience at all, it should continue to run with the big boys. Which brings up the question,
Maybe the v6 camaro is the wrong car to target the sub $20k ricer crowd. If branden could have gotten his w/o the ground effects for $19k i would understand, but there are so many other cars in the market that fill this niche much better. Focus, Celica, RSX, GTI, Neon SRT....
I think Camaro shouldn't be targeted at this audience at all, it should continue to run with the big boys. Which brings up the question,
Let Saturn, Cavalier, and Vibe go after the 'ricers'!!! (After "Just say NO! to Retro!" this might be my most favorite cause.)
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Originally posted by slt
No offense, but v-6 camaro's have a hard time "infuriating" anything at the light. I can consistantly beat them with my alero, no joke. And like I said before, my GF's $19,000 VW GTI walks them everytime.
No offense, but v-6 camaro's have a hard time "infuriating" anything at the light. I can consistantly beat them with my alero, no joke. And like I said before, my GF's $19,000 VW GTI walks them everytime.
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Originally posted by Chewbacca
I was referrring to a modified V-6. Nicely modded NA 6 bangers are easy 14 sec cars.
I was referrring to a modified V-6. Nicely modded NA 6 bangers are easy 14 sec cars.
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Unmodified GTI's are low 14 second second cars with some running high 13's at the track with as little as a $350 chip. Throw in a couple thousand to get an upgraded turbo and.....blah blah blah.
Unmodified GTI's are low 14 second second cars with some running high 13's at the track with as little as a $350 chip. Throw in a couple thousand to get an upgraded turbo and.....blah blah blah.
I've whipped modded GTIs at the track. I'm not talking about just chips either. Some of these guys were spraying. If you look below please notice that my car is not that fast. I'm not saying that it can't be done though as there was also an older GTI running 10s. However I have not seen evidence on the track that supports your claim.We're getting off topic again.
I was referencing the V-6 model because that's all Branden was able to afford at that time.
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Originally posted by slt
No offense, but v-6 camaro's have a hard time "infuriating" anything at the light. I can consistantly beat them with my alero, no joke. And like I said before, my GF's $19,000 VW GTI walks them everytime.
Maybe the v6 camaro is the wrong car to target the sub $20k ricer crowd. If branden could have gotten his w/o the ground effects for $19k i would understand, but there are so many other cars in the market that fill this niche much better. Focus, Celica, RSX, GTI, Neon SRT....
I think Camaro shouldn't be targeted at this audience at all, it should continue to run with the big boys. Which brings up the question,
Should the next Camaro offer a v-6 if it only puts out 200hp and stickers for $22k?
No offense, but v-6 camaro's have a hard time "infuriating" anything at the light. I can consistantly beat them with my alero, no joke. And like I said before, my GF's $19,000 VW GTI walks them everytime.
Maybe the v6 camaro is the wrong car to target the sub $20k ricer crowd. If branden could have gotten his w/o the ground effects for $19k i would understand, but there are so many other cars in the market that fill this niche much better. Focus, Celica, RSX, GTI, Neon SRT....
I think Camaro shouldn't be targeted at this audience at all, it should continue to run with the big boys. Which brings up the question,
Should the next Camaro offer a v-6 if it only puts out 200hp and stickers for $22k?
My car is good for mid to 15's with the 3.42 rear...a Grand AM GT runs about 15.90....a Alero isn't much faster. GMHTP put a bone stock M% with 3.08 gears in the 14's...hardly anything to laugh at.
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Originally posted by formula79
Bring on the Alero big boy My car is good for mid to 15's with the 3.42 rear...a Grand AM GT runs about 15.90....a Alero isn't much faster.
Bring on the Alero big boy
My car is good for mid to 15's with the 3.42 rear...a Grand AM GT runs about 15.90....a Alero isn't much faster.
The v-6 camaro is simply not at all competitive at this price point and IMHO shouldn't be targeted at this market. $24,000 V-6 camaro's make no sense to me. All show, no go
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Originally posted by Chewbacca
Sorry. I've whipped modded GTIs at the track.
Sorry.
I've whipped modded GTIs at the track.
Originally posted by Chewbacca I was referencing the V-6 model because that's all Branden was able to afford at that time.
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I'm sure you have, they are very hard cars to launch.
Exactly, for $24,000, why a v-6 camaro? I guess emotions are more important than price when buying a car
I'm sure you have, they are very hard cars to launch.
Exactly, for $24,000, why a v-6 camaro? I guess emotions are more important than price when buying a car
Lets say it agian...$21,000
Take a 2...follow it with a 1 and and add a dollar sign and three zeros at the end....what do you get ? $21,000
What is $20,000+$1,000?
Again $21,000
If you have $42,000 and spend $21,000 on a new car...how much do you have left?
Again $21,000...
$21,000
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