I really hope that article is false on the timeline . I am not waiting 3-4 moooore years to buy a new car . My 97 Bonneville will have over 200K miles come this spring , time to move on .

 

I'm hoping for the best, but at this point they (GM) have just about lost me as a future customer No Camaro (no Firebird!), No Solstice coupe, a GTO that is too heavy with uninspiring styling and a Vette that while I love it, I cannot afford it. That's about it for me I guess Time to start looking at other sporty/affordable alternatives when it comes time to replace the 'Bird...

 

More proof the Camaro will be something else.

 

Exactly. It's pathetic, its split between people who are of that idea that anything that isn't a new Camaro isn't worth building and those that are willing to wring every concievable drop of hope out of any remark about anything that comes from GM.

 

2009?! wtf

Don't take so long

 

Everybody loved Chris Pauwels/Kris Horton Camaro renderings, yet are bashing the thought of it not being called Camaro.

By the way, Edmunds is off base quite a bit. I wouldnt be surprised if they are attempting to do some damage control for the General.

 

I always thought it was more of an evolution of sigma...

 

It's easy to bash a car that will be very, very LATE to market. The tired-and-weary old GTO still has TWO model years to go - assuming that we see 2006 and 2007 GTOs. I'm hoping that GM either puts the Holden-built GTO on "hiatus" or uses a less discredited name for the 2008 Pontiac coupe.

 

Translation: The Camaro is dead.

Hmmm.... The LS2 is reserved for the GTO and the Chevy-badged coupe will get a lesser engine like the LS7 in the current 2006 Impala/MC SS?

So the dated 2004 Grand Prix will live until 2009 - if not far longer? By the end of this decade, GM's "Mid-Lux" cars will be completely laughable from a competitive standpoint.

 

I think that you may be missing my point. I have no problem with platforms coming from Opel, Holden or anywhere else from GM's global operations. What I do have a problem with, is using an architecture with a two decade old suspension system...which is already considered outdated, obsolete and uncompetitive today, and rehashing it for cars which are still to be built in the future. Giving it a snazzy new name to try and make us believe that it is "all new", also adds insult to my list.

GM's future Zeta sedans will not quite be the equals of today's DCX LX cars. And when GM gets called on it....which they most certainly will, I just hope nobody cries "media bias".

Well whatever. I'm not so concerned about the sedans as I am about the Camaro. I mentioned previously that I sure would be angry if a circa '09/'10 Z/28 couldn't outrun a current 4,200 lbs SRT-8 300C around a road course. Looks like that 2 ton plus sedan will probably eat that Z/28 at it's own game.....in the same way it ate the '05 GTO.

 

Would it make you feel better if GM called the next Camaro the 6th gen, That way it won't be late, it will be right on time. The 5th gen will just have had a very low production run of "0"

The next GTO is not too far away. Who knows, it might be so good performance and stylewise that many Camaro fans will jump ship to Pontiac.

 

I hope so.

 

Z284ever, that's exactly my point though. Back about 2 years ago when everyone was wetting their pants about "Sigma", I called it a rehashed GM2800 (Catera/Omega/Commodore). Sure it's an updated and re-egnineered GM2800, but its not a new platform. The fact that Caddy is having such a great success with it is a testement to how well they've done to separate the truth from advertising. I'm not saying the CTS/STS are bad cars by any means, but they aren't quite the "breakthrugh" that they are claimed to be. So my comment again, is its to be expected of GM to continue rehashing what they have and re-introducing it as new.

I was just on the Holden site. Guess what the "new" Saturn Aura looks like?? here's a vivid comparison:

Saturn Aura

Holden Vectra

 

morb|d:

Sigma is substantially different than GM2800. As far as I can determine, Sigma shares nothing with GM2800. It is completely different in every way that effects chassis dynamics. Sigma is great. A Sigma Camaro would make me a happy camper.

I'm referring to Zeta. Zeta....a new name for what appears to be a very old architecture.

 

I think that its all over


I lost faith