So there's room for a Camaro inbetween the Monte Carlo and Corvette, but there's no room for a bird next to the GTO?

 

Zeta will be positvely effecting profits next year

 

This is definately true b/c Aus is making the switch before NA. The GTO(Monaro) AND the Buick sedan(Commedore) should be the 1st two to NA. I do wonder when the G8 will get here, could it be at the same time, shorter wheelbase Zeta.

 

Not at all... however, stating in a factual sense that Zeta won't be equal to LX is not giving an opinion. You laid it out as fact, maybe I'm reading too literally, but still....

There are a lot of people passionate about Camaro on this board... the majority of them have actually bought at least one new one over the last 12 years.

My point is, YOU have said everything is up in the air right now on Zeta among other things... so saying it would not be equal is an unfair statement. if it's not even a "go" in it's current state of development.

I mean, this is like talking to a sound engineer working with U2 about an upcoming album a year before it's release... not HEARING or SEEING anything... simply discussing the music with him. Then saying that the new stuff will not be be equal to a new Creed (if they were still around) album that came out 5 months ago...

 

I agree. We tend to jump to conclusions a little and it seems to me that a comment will be made and everything snowballs from there until what is being said is just rediculus.

Good analogy by the way.

 

SNEAKY NEIL, you are right! This is a great analogy.

I would wonder, why would this sound engineer who works with U2 say that? I would be very curious to hear his thoughts and why he formed that impression.

And you're right Darth, I did say that things are being reviewed right now. If you have an opinion......and I mean a real, heartfelt opinion, not merely the automatic anti-Z284ever stance..........NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO VOICE IT!!!!!!!!!! I'm not kidding.

 

I never have an automatic anti-anyone response.

I have actually (though rarely) agreed with a few things even redzed has said in the past, though it's been quite a while .

Anyway, how can I tell them they are doing something I don't like when I can't see it, touch it, drive it, smell it, or anything else?

We've told them in the past in countless threads what we all want... Some want a small Camaro, some want a Camaro more along the size of the last few generations. Some want a 3 box coupe with a trunk, some want a hatchback. Some want T-Tops, others want a Targa, still others want a hardtop. Some want retro, others want modern... it's endless!

PS: For the one Camaro "sound engineer" you are talking to, there are obviously others who think it is going well... or it wouldn't be going at all. Keep that in mind.

 

Exactly.

 

Hmmmm........

What if it wasn't just the lone heretic sound engineer? What if it was also the producer, the record company and even maybe Bono himself...........


Anyway, my feeling is that we are at an important crossroad. This "review" is a once in a program lifetime opportunity to make important changes....for better or worse.

I'm determined to do what little I can, to make sure, it's going to end up being for the better. If you have that warm, fuzzy feeling that everything is going swimmingly.......well, bless your soul.

 

OK, let's say all this is true, and quite frankly, I am not in a position to deny it... so let's go with that, even though it's a pretty sad state of affairs if everyone, or the majority of people working on a new car think it is basically unworthy... I mean, if "Bono himself" doesn't like what he's doing, then why is he doing it to begin with?

How am I still supposed to tell them what I want changed when I don't know what is wrong to begin with... that is the point.

Really the only things you have mentioned is that it's not going to handle a road coarse as well as a DCX LX, and you base this on driving a current GTO...??? I can see that there are some connections possible... but it's not like you drove the new Zeta car.

Maybe you just need to throw some more bones out there... if you can't or won't do it in an open thread, please feel free to PM me... I'm always willing to listen, and maybe you can enlighten me.

 

OK but here's what's for sure(as sure as we can be on this forum) that zeta isn't ever going to be a Camaro.

Which leaves only 1 RWD chassis available? The Solstice chassis? Is that kappa? Nobody here wants a 2 seater miata sized Camaro.

 

Again, read back a few pages as this has been discussed before, at length.

The Holden Torana TT36 concept is based on a modified version of Kappa. Kappa on the surface appears to be a much more flexible architecture than Zeta, at least several here and on other websites have deduced this. Even Hot Rod Magazine (Feb. 2005, p. 27) is suggesting the Torana TT36 could be the basis for the next Camaro, provided a V8 will fit. The Torana TT36 has a longer wheelbase than the 4th gen Camaro. So much for Kappa being "Miata-sized".

Meanwhile, Chevrolet also needs a Zeta coupe and convertible. Why? First for the masses as a Monte Carlo replacement (either badged as a Monte, Chevelle or whatever). Secondly, as a proper model for NASCAR. A Camaro in a form that would be acceptable to Camaro enthusiasts, would be far to swoopy to fit the NASCAR templates. However a more upright RWD coupe, say a sister car to the GTO, would fit the role quite nicely.

The bottom line? There is a place for both cars in Chevrolet's stable. With the Corvette moving further over the top, there really is no fear that a Camaro based on a stretched version of Kappa would be too Corvette-like and ****-off the Corvette enthusiasts. Heck many may even buy both cars... a Vette for the husband and a Camaro for the Mrs.

In a perfect world, My next gen Camaro is a Z28 based off a stretched version of Kappa with the Z06 LS7 between the frame rails. (Red are you reading this? )

 

Your "perfect world" and mine are quite similar. I hope we at least get close to it.

 

Here, here!

 

Sorry I'm not buyin it.(Not the car, but the scenario you're outlining)

Too many "if's" in there. If Holden makes this Torano. If it'll hold a V8. If GM has the time or money to fit another RWD car in its plans(in addition the already late Solstice and upcoming zeta cars). If it'll get done by 2010...

What we know was that zeta is for sure. It's a GO. It will hold the big V8. GM's spending big time money and effort on the program. It's NOT for a Camaro.