Bingo.........Who's in a place on this board to really say what "proper" is? All most can really do on here is offer opinions on what YOU would LIKE a new Camaro to be. As shown by the poll in this thread, there are a variety of feelings as to what is "proper". Just because someone has a differing view on what Camaro should be, doesn't mean that they are "settling" for less or are not "picky". Until we all have some concrete info on the car, it's all a matter of opinions....


-Mike

 

THIS, is the truth of the Camaro.

BTW, this poll went exactly the way I thought it would:

1st: 185.5"-187.5"
2nd: 188.0"-190.0"
3rd: 182.5"-184.5"
4th: 180.0"-182.0"

 

Pretty telling, eh?

Seems the squeeky wheel just makes all the noise....

 

Truth? What "truth"? The ranges given in each choice as well as the min/max range skew the answers. The only logical conclusions we can draw about Camaro from this poll is this:

From THIS sample (a relatively small sample of 65 voters among hundreds of thousands of Camaro owners and enthusiasts, when presented with 4 options lin range from 180-190, go 25% for 185.5-187.5". That is ALL you can say about this. Its hardly scientific as the sample is self selecting and the choices were little better than arbitrary. Truth? Hardly....

1st place is still longer than your holy grail 184".

I saw a G35 this morning. First time I had seen one in a few weeks. Damn its downright tiny!!! Its a really short car. And it has 4 seats? Really?

G35 does not = modern interpretation of Camaro in any possible way I can imagine. Its no different to me than all the boy racers wanting an AWD turbo V6 Camaro. They already made that, its called the Mitsu 3000GT.

Lets let Camaro be Camaro, OK?

 

Allow me to clarify my reponse by saying I found it interesting that the 2 longer dimensions are winning, even here, where it seems like there is a lot of noise for an overly small Camaro...

I agree on the comments about having defined length ranges in this type of poll, especially with such small ranges, and add to the fact that it becomes even more irrelevant without having the actual design to look at, since length is just one part of the equation in creating a good looking car.

That said, I still found it interesting that the shortest length finished last and the 2nd shortest finished next to last...

 

Seems to me that the smaller ones should be combined into one category, instead of splitting them up.

 

OK... why? So it skews the results to show they are ahead as a group?

If you do that, you should combine the larger 2 as well... and the result is the same.

 

Yeah, I agree, not very scientific...but few polls on sites like this are. The results are interesting though, it shows we're all over the place. But roughly 3/4 would like Camaro in the 180-187.5" range.

 

Agreed. It shows there is anything but consensus about what Camaro should be.

Anyone that thinks I want a boat for a Camaro is mischaracterizing me. It would be as if I were to say you small-car guys want an AMC pacer sized Camaro (the 170"'s guy excepted, LOL).

Any poll here is basically irrelevant because its just not a reliable gauge of larger public opinion. Perhaps polls here can be useful for framing discussion but everyone should be careful about drawing conclusions based on the results of a web poll of any kind.

I also think Darth has an excellent point that just discussing length, or weight for that matter, in a vacuum is non-sequitor. None of this happens in a vacuum and whatever length and weight car we get will have to be judged along with the rest of the car AS A WHOLE, because GM only sells WHOLE cars.

I think anyone here who sets any kind of absolute, like "any Camaro over 184"s is a failure", or "I will be dissappointed if the Camaro is a pound over 3400 lbs" is not only setting himself up for dissappointment by degree, but is categorically ruling out any kind of successful car that captures Camaro in its essense but may not strictly adhere to these ARBITRARY numbers that have been pulled out of the sky.

Guess what folks, you don't get to pick ANY length and ANY weight and then GM goes and builds the cars. We have 2 platforms the car may be built on and there are limitations, or envelopes if you will, of dimensions and capacities of each platform.

I'm not sure at this point that any of us gets to choose or cheerlead for any arbitrary numbers. I find that this whole debate is irrelevant. Once we have stats for a Zeta and Beta generic car then we can start arguing in earnest which one is better, but since we have NO HARD DATA on either chassis yet then the whole debate is moot.

 

One thing Chris, this debate has not been moot and has not gone unnoticed.....trust me.

 

but it's loaded up with a lot of options, and filled up to the gills with electronic do-dads, which add weight...not to mention it's built on a truck chassis...

GM should shoot for (and attain) a weight around 3200-3300 lbs

 

Because I would have voted in the 182.5-184.5 category instead of 180-182 if it wasn't there. And alot of people might have voted larger than 190 instead of 188-190 if there was a category like that.

 

A better poll would have provided 10 choices ranging from 182-192 and be posted in the lounge or some other high traffic area. Or even better, have the same poll posted here and at LS1tech.com and ls1.com and camaros.net and other places, add all the results together to a super poll.. The results would still be suspect because the sample is still self selecting and still would represent the opinions of message board users only, and not random sample of all Camaro people. But it would be far better than a 65 person poll with 4 poorly arranged choices.

 

And by the same token, some people may have voted for the 185.5 - 187.5 if 188.0-190.0 wasn't there...

Or, if there was another catagory below 180.0, some may have voted there too...

So, again, it's a wash, and if you are going to combine one end of the spectrum, you have to combine the other end as well.

 

Yup Z284, the poll and all we say here doesn't go unnoticed, and so far on this board, (full of Camaro enthusiasts) most people want the larger Camaro. 185.5"-187.5" is an ideal size for the car and it's purpose. I wouldn't even mind 188.0"-190.0" either. I think no matter where, when you consider the car's history and needs, those will be the popular opinion. When you compare the sizes to the comparison chart they seem to be the best choices. The way the car looks depends alot too. Cars can decieve easily.

96WS6, the truth I mentioned was your quote about the 1st Gen being a rushed car and the Gens after it being a full out representation on Chevrolet's idea of the word Camaro. And, in case you haven't noticed, I'm not for the tiny Camaro. Please read and think accordingly before you post. Also, this poll has 4 options for a reason, because the tiny and huge options don't make sense for this car, it's just not logical. An 80's 5.0 M*stang and a 4th Gen sized Camaro doesn't make sense, which is why I used the bracket I did.