LOL Considering the car I am driving right now, it would appear you would be right..

 

Why is it that the "Ford-Guys*" feel they need to come on here and bash everything GM puts out as being inferior to Ford?


Me thinks someone has an inferiority complex... either that or a lack of size in the manhood department.


*These comments do not reflect my opinions of the few Ford-Regulars that actually have a maturity level over the age of 12... you know who you are.

 

At least you still have the pride to post in this thread even though you've been getting owned repeatedly...I hope they haven't allowed you to troll through the board for the whole 5 years you've been a member.

 

Troll? Why because I am not a blind GM nuthugger like yourself?? Give me a break. LMAO.. Owned huh..
Well guess what, the figures of GTO sales posted earlier by a couple of people here...were not actual sales to consumers, but shipments to dealerships...

This really makes the GM nuthuggers look bad concerning GTO figures..

Come to find out the September spike was dealers ordering expected inventories anticipating rebate sales, and not actual customer sales... I can't wait to see November GTO numbers... Considering at the begining of the month of November, only 9847 actual GTO's have been sold to the public, and 5600 are sitting on dealership lots...That is 127 days worth of vehicles sitting and waiting to be sold..

Who is getting owned now?

November numbers will be out soon....and not the numbers shipped to dealers, which were claimed here as customer sales

 

You REALLY need to get your head out of your a*s and actually take the time to look up things you obviously are clueless about.

Do yourself a favor. Go to www.media.gm.com. At the top of the page (under their logo) there is a page wide list of options. Put your cursor on "NEWS" and a number of choices will come up. Go to "Sales/Production data" and click on it. When the next page pops up, go down to any GM press release that has months SALES. If you go to September's & scroll down to Pontiac, you'll see "GTO had its best sales since launch with 2,678 deliveries, up 177 percent compared to August and its best monthly sales since launch".

If you scroll down past the divisional summaries each month, you will see the sales totals for all GM. You don't need a "media" password to get this, cause I just tried it. Anyone else intrested in seeing this yourself, feel free to.

This is just in case there's any nut cases here who actually believe that Pontiac dealers would suddenly go on a ordering spree and order up 2,600 GTOs when they have only been averaging 700 per month in sales. Or that GTOs that have been in production since September at Fisherman's Bend, Victoria Australia wouldn't show up on GM's monthly production lists till 5 months later in February.

You have to watch yourself around here in case we run across anyone who doesn't know what they are talking about?

 

and you are the dense one posting the wrong numbers..


http://www.gm.com/company/investor_i...ist_sales.html

Those figures are "sales deliveries" to DEALERSHIPS, not actual customer sales?? Want to argue this further bigman?

 

Uh.... "Sales Deliveries" means vehicles SALES, DELIVERED to the CUSTOMER... not the dealership.

 

Well maybe so, but this shows 5900 GTO's sitting on lots as of November 1...


http://theaustralian.news.com.au/com...5E2702,00.html

 

Great American Classic, huh?
Looks nothing like a GTO, Right?

So tell us, what exactly is a GTO "look"?

Is it this: http://www.gtoheaven.com/images/GT0/64gto.jpg

Or is it this: http://www.gtoheaven.com/images/GT0/70gto.jpg

Maybe it's this: http://www.gtoheaven.com/images/GT0/73front.jpg

Or perhaps, this: http://www.gtoheaven.com/images/GT0/red66.jpg

But don't forget this: http://www.gtoheaven.com/images/GT0/72GtoConvBrown.jpg


But then again all these look like GTO's too: http://www.cardomain.com/member_page...&model=Tempest

.....Oh, wait! Those AREN'T GTOs! Those are some of the million and a half run-of-the-mill, economy car, rental car Pontiac Tempests the 488,646 GTOs between '64 - '70 were based on.

But then again, Pontiac Tempests looked just like the rest of Pontiac's line up, just like the current GTO.

So, what IS a "GTO look"?

 

It takes 2 sides to argue.

I posted my point and my reference for everyone to read on their own, which they will.

I'm done with you on this point.

 

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics...












... even if you win, you're still retarded.

 

GTO sales through Nov

Nov. 1,130
YTD 10,617

Seems to be holding on inspite of a 17% sales drop for cars.

 

Damn, those numbers seem low considering the rebates.. I was expecting more GTOs sold than that for November. It tends to show September was only a "spike". With a projected 1500 sales a month volume, and lthey have sold less than that with over 3500 bucks in rebates, that looks pretty bad.

There are over 5k of GTO's sitting on the lots right now, so below invoice pricing should become pretty commonplace. Need to make room for the 05's.


If anyone wants a deal on a GTO, December is the month to buy.

 

You are still totally dismissing several factors that do apply, whether you want them to or not...

1) It's November , now December... hardly the hot selling time for RWD coupes.

2) Most people know the 05 is coming with upgrades. A lot of potential buyer are going to hold off, rebate or no rebate.

3) A lot of people who were considering a GTO purchase earlier got turned off by the lack of rebates, and the dealer markups, and may have purchased a different vehicle.

Yes, sales were below expectations.... But the sales figures have shown a good sized increase since the rebates came into play, and the dealers realized they can't upcharge $10k on these cars.

Even if the car was selling like hotcakes, the numbers would start to dwindle as winter approaches, which happens with most performance cars.

 

1) Whether it is December of June, sales numbers are sales numbers..Even if the market slows for these cars, it still does not deny the fact that certain numbers were projected to sell, and they just do not add up as projected.. Making excuses will not work in the board room.. Trump would fire your *** with an excuse like that

2)05 are coming out.I already mentined that possibility of holdout..

3)This would only be an excuse for the first 3-4 months. Sales did not pick up to decent levels until August...Still under estimated sales figures.

A good increase in sales from.... under half of projected sales a month to 75 percent of projected sales a month still is not considered good. Remember Gm projected 1500 sales a month....They only exceeded it one month this year. even with 3500 in rebates..