"OVER" $3500 in rebates???
I invite you to look it up: http://www.pontiac.com/currentoffers/index.jsp

Sales have been just fine with the rebates, the average since rebates & incentives started is about 1500.

Dealers who drove customers off with insane mark-ups and draconian test-drive policies before over the GTO are the ones who are tending to have a hard time selling them now.

Just the same, the cars are moving right about expectations...despite heading into winter AND customer knowledge that a new more powerful & improved GTO is just a few weeks away.

 

Sales didn't pick up until August because dealers were still trying to get over sticker for them. That is a fact you can't deny. All you had to do was go and look at one, because you couldn't take a test drive, they would tell you over MSRP. Even with the first incentives in August, they were trying to just give you that off MSRP. You can't say that didn't hurt sales and turn away potential owners.
The people selling the cars were the GTO's worst enemy. They are only giving good deals because the whole shipment is in and on the lots. If you look at some of the VINs, you'll see that some have been there for quite awhile. Only because they wouldn't move off that "Premium" car status.

 

I would assume that the sales numbers for GTO since laet Aug/Sept, based on the month of the figures, would put it on pace, or ahead of it's projected 18,000 unit goal.

The months it lost were prime-selling spring and summer months for this type of car, but the previously mentioned dealer mark-up and lack of rebates in a rebate-flooded market just killed GTO during these months.

Yes, 1500 per month average , that doesn't mean 1500 eahc and every month. Again, using the logic above, GTO lost out on it's prime selling months where it SHOUDL have been selling over 1500 per month to compensate for a slow RWD coupe market in winter... this didnt happen, again, at least in a large part, because of markup and no rebates.

So, I really think that from the rebates-on (September-ish) , that sales figures have to be at or above what would normally have happened.

 

I see what you are saying, while I do not agree totally with it.

The only thing to do now is to look at the 05 figures and see how the car performs.. 12k cars projected in 10 months right?

 

No, in May, the volume of GTo's shipped to dealers were at projected levels. it was the first 4 months were they were short of GTo's on lots, causing the price gouging..Also GM had $2000 in finance incentives to buy in August.

Even in the last 2 months with 3500 in rebates, the cars did not perfrom as projected.

 

Ya, I agree.

I think, assuming dealers don't try to pull the same thing with mark-ups because of the new LS2, that the 2005 GTO figures will be a lot less skewed and more telling of how well the car will meet projections.

Of course, one X-factor could be the rebate game again... if GM chooses NOT to put rebates on the car, but continues to offer them on virtually everything else... it's bound to hurt the car again.

 

They are supposedly going to be built out by the end of May and on sale until August. Then the '06 cars will be here in Sept. like most cars.

 

Whether they had there projected inventory by May is not the point. The dealers were still trying to gouge even with the first incentives in August. Only allowing the rebate off sticker and not dealing off MSRP at all.

I went to dealer after dealer and they were still playing the premium car status game. From Glen Burnie to Annapolis to Baltimore, they were all the same. Things got really turned around in September with the big rebates. Maybe Pontiac started putting pressure on the dealerships, I dunno.

 

Thats right...because I'm this obsessed GM fanatic, hugging all over their nuts in hopes they can release some more great 'product' for me I am about the furthest thing from a GM 'loyalist', if you read some of my posts in this and other sections you would know that.

Do yourself a favor and start researching topics before you decide to post 50 times about them, spewing everything but facts and rational thoughts out of your ***.I believe you just owned yourself

What an embarrasment

 

And you have contributed what to this post?? Absolutely nothing other than riding peoples nads here.

You sound like a GM nuthugging little boy.. "you got owned" "your a troll'..Go back to your playground wonderboy.

The GM nuthugging thing you got all pissy about was obviously just a joke, but since it got your panties all in a bunch here I will continue to use it towards you.

 

I know the car was not ment to take place of the Camaro, but there was an open left from no more Camaro, possibly could have captured some of the Camaro people, along with keeping the price down to the 28-30k range.

 

I dont know if this was mentioned, but i was not about to read ALL 8 pages... Do you guys realize this Lumina SS is for GM Arabia? I just wanted to make sure..