I am all for the 5.3L being the base V8 and an optional 6.0L for the top car.
I don't like the idea of a low output 6.0 at all.

A 5.3L would get better gas mileage, helping the CAFE figures. I think it would also be factor in the publics mind. Some people might want a V8 but when they lean of the 6.0L displacement, think thats too big and go buy a Mustang.

Give the 5.3L 10-15 more hp then whatever the Mustang GT has and call it a day. In the end I really don't care if the Camaro is faster, but I would like it to be close. (as long as its close, it comes down to the driver anyway!) If its not fast enough people will mod it.

The car the REALLY wins is the car that sells better. And the next gen Camaro has to meet GM sales targets, someting that the 4th gen almost always failed to do. Thats what led to its demise.

 

LOL. I love it....if you listen closely, you can hear the sound of "PC-ness" rusting away.....

Z284ever...heard a thing or two, but nothing of significance. Dirty little secret....I'm not a huge fan of the modular engine program, so its a bit hard to get excited about a new one. Hopefully my skepticism is misplaced.

 

Yes the base V8 in the original Camaros was a 327 with 210HP and a 2-bbl which is ~ 5.3L. Just above that was the 4-bbl 275 HP L30 327 cid. The SS got the 350 (which only came in the Camaro SS in 1967) and later they added the SS 396 in 325 & 375 HP versions. The Z-28 of course had the 302 which was basically a 327 with a modified 283 crank. This was to sneak in just under the SCCA Trans Am sedan class limit of 5.0L.

The 327 was first used in the Corvette. While yes those 327's were (and still are) formidable little motors, they were mostly regarded because of their durability and higher rev limit. However, today's engines are far superior in design, efficiency and technology. If a Gen IV 5.3L V8 can put out as much (or more) power than a Gen III 5.7L V8 and at the same time is more fuel efficient and more emissions friendly... frankly I don't see a problem with this.

Cubic inches aren't everything.

 

Are you referring to the Hurricane program? Do we know if that's on the modular motor architecture...or is it new?

 

How is a 310-325 hp 5.3 high output.....and a 350hp or 350+hp 6.0 low output?

 

I do not know for certain, however, I'd bet my new Cobra that it is modular based.

 

So when i'm talking to a random person who isn't a car buff and i mention i have a camaro then they sput back "yah? I have a camaro Z-28..." 50% of the time they finish off their sentence with "I've got the corvette engine in mine!". Which makes me wonder how many of these idiots bought their car after the salesman told them "It's got the corvette engine!". Which then leads me to the point i'm making - which ultimately is that is it not a good marketing strategy to have the "corvette engine" LS2 available as an option in SOME camaro (whether that be Z28 or SS). There's so many people who can't afford a corvette...but if they are told they're getting the corvette engine they probably aren't going to care so much any more.

 

I'm all for a 5.3 that could preform just as good as a LS1 and I wouldn't mind seeing it available in a 07/08 (whatever year it is but hope it's 07). This engine will be called LS4 right? I wonder what the LS3 and LS5 and LS8 are going to be lol

 

Maybe they will stop with the LSx RPO codes? The LS4 is the 5.3 made for cars.

 

guionM, I really expected more out of someone I so frequently look up to. Sorry if the teenager with hormones suggested something out of the old people's ordinary boring lives. It is pretty cool that I got shot down by the guy who wrote the Camaro article. Around here buddy, you're like a fricken god. Everyone's always like, yeah that guy who wrote the Camaro article in PHR, I wish I could talk to him/have his job. Sorry for having hormones and being a teenager. Very very sorry. Never smoked anything for that matter...

I never said the Camaro should be faster than the Corvette. Let's be realistic, just cause GM has a stick up its a** doesn't mean the Corvette should be slower. No, it's going to handle better, weigh less, and win all their races for them (or maybe not, maybe the CTS-V is taking over...). Corvette is GM's top performer, no argument. It's just always been that the Camaro can't step on the Corvette's toes. Look at what DMC is doing, they have three cars with the same engine(or will have once the charger comes out). They don't down play them at all, all have the same power and will have more, with no worries on which one sells more. Before this marketing hype, it was all about their trucks and Durangos with HEMIs in them. Guys who don't even know what a HEMI is can tell you about DMC commercials. I think they're doing one hell of a marketing job, and the fact that you can get the SAME HEMI in many different cars/trucks is one hell of a good idea. Obviously the Corvette is going to weigh less, and therefore be faster. Why not share some marketing strategies of DMC and market the HELL out of the LS2? It will be in the SSR, GTO, and modified versions will likely end up in trucks.

A go cart with that much hp would what we do down at Wolfpack Motorsports. 0-60 in a little over 2 seconds. One hell of a go cart...

Mustangs aren't that quick, ever driven one and an LS1 back to back? Maybe the LS1 has spoiled me. I'd say the Mustang is quicker than my old 91 RS with the 305 TBI! It's all relative. My Camaro is "Camaro Slow" compared to a Viper.

As far as paying more for a higher power/quality vehicle, thanks for the recommendation, that's why I'm in college, so I can pay the bills when I get out. Around here, that's a common goal.

As far as the 8.1 liter twin turbo comment, that's kinda rude. You're making me sound like a complete moron and I don't really appreciate it, but you can talk crap to me all you wish as long as you keep us up to date on the 5th gen. Besides, twin turbos are excess on an 8.1 liter.

Well if I've gotten anything out of this, it's the fact that I got made fun of by the guy who wrote the PHR article, maybe my friends will get a good laugh at my expense.

I apologize for my teenager/ ricer/ ignorant ideas.

 

recap
*possiblities that are likely

*base Camaro v-8 gets 5.3 liter
*top end Camaro gets 6.2 liter v-8
*Ford is experimenting with a 6.2 liter v-8

now what does this all mean?
1. your cost effective (probably sub 25k range) Camaro will get a V-8 that gets better gas milage that the ls1's running around (hey, some of you guys own those cars, aren't they kinda quick?) and it will be faster
2. the high end Camaro will get a 6.2 liter v-8. most likey handbuilt from that special little place just outside detroit. most likey the engine will be better than par, but will be detuned from the exaust/air-intake for placement in the food chain with the vette. (also, functional scoops)
3. Ford is planning a big attack with a 6.2 They know the Camaro is coming back hard and dont want a base model 5th gen in the range of their cobras.
you people are too blind! we have family cars......4-door cars....coming with over 300hp. and your complaining. just 2 years ago everyone was compaining about how great things were in the 60's. there were muscles cars in every form. well its happened again. look at the gto, the dodge magnum, various torque (and to some extent hp) wars going on in the truck world. this is just a small example and now we have some cars coming that will outperform anything yet.

REDPLANET, i apologize for the ignorance of everyone complaining. they just don't know what they have.

 

Ok bro just breathe. Guion just likes to point out that every month or so, there comes along a dumb new idea that's exactly the same as last month's dumb old idea that somehow somewhere there's going to be Camaro with a bigger hotter motor than the BASE Vette.

In fact this idea comes up so often without fail, that I have a standard response. Explain to me how a Chevy dealer sells a $43K Vette with a 400hp 6.0 when it's sitting next to a $35-38K Z/28 with some 450hp+ 6.2 or 6.4 or 7L monster motor?

DC does not put it's Viper engine in every model. Only 2 vehicles get the Viper V10, the Viper and the Truck.The 5.7L Hemi V8 is not Dodges LS7. It's not even Dodge's LS2, that would be the 6.1L Hemi and it's only going in the SRT series. So you see how you got it all wrong on DC?

Finally GM does give you choices on high performance where there are no artificial vette limits. They are Z06, CTSv and GTO Judge. It looks like each will get the 6.4L 500hp LS7. You pays yer money, you takes yer choice.

 

He's not a god, he IS God.

I'll give you one thing, you made a valid point, that some of us have made numerous times in the past, and that the masses have yet to fully grasp, that is:

If you take the drivetrain from the TOP Corvette and stick it in the TOP Camaro, the Corvette will always be faster and out handle the Camaro because in fact it is a Corvette.

No one seems to be able to fully grasp that idea.

 

See what I mean?

NO Camaro gets to outperform ANY Vette.

Sorry bro. There's no semantics or obfuscation that's gets you around that rule. They're on the same dealer floor. There's a hierarchy and it goes Vette(ALL variations) > Camaro.

 

There is a gray area to this "Corvette Rule".

Of course the top Corvette will ALWAYS outperform the top Camaro....no ifs, ands, or buts. And that's the way it should be!

But the gray area....the loophole, so to speak.... is this: There is room for a very high performance Camaro model...to outperform a base Corvette, without violating the "Corvette Rule".