I know that is my point, If they have to make another 6.0L just for the Camaro, it won't happen. The 5.3L will already be going into other Zeta cars. As I understand it there are going to be 2 versions on the LS2, one for cars and one for trucks, I don't think they will make a detuned 350HP 6.0L just for the Camaro. Naming the detuned sub-350HP 6.0L LS2 would also be a bad move, it will add to confusion among non-enthusists customers. I also don't think that naming convention would happen because it would defeat the purpose of the RPO, why have to different engine in the same car have the same RPO, Silverado doesn't do it, they have the LQ4 & LQ9.

 

The is precisely ZERO danger of a Camaro cannibalizing Corvette sales. Not gonna happen.

Generally, Corvette buyers who can actually swing the car monetarily don't cross-shop Camaros. Camaro buyers who can afford Corvettes either take the top Camaro model available or buy a Corvette anyway.

The Camaro was known as "the poor man's Corvette" for a reason.

Begin broken record:

The guy who pays more for the car gets the best performance. Stripped performance cars are stupid from a business standpoint. If you want the big-gun engine, you're gonna pay for the leather, good stereo, nice wheels, power seat tracks, power locks, power windows, etc...

/broken record

 

Okey-doke,

Suit yourself.

In 1989, you could order an LB9 in a Camaro. If you ordered the one I did....L98 cam, roller rockers, N10 dual cats...it was rated at 230HP....and called LB9.

You could also get one with the LO3 cam, and single exhaust...195 hp...and called LB9.

LS2 will come in a variety of tunes......it won't be made "just" for Camaro.

 

Guion, you can be sure as hell that if I can get an AWD 6.0 liter fbody Im gonna put the softest tires I can find on it and autocross that thing every damn weekend.

That would be my dream future fbody. If GM under-engineers or doesnt offer a 6.0 liter AWD I'd be very disappointed.

Now I know everyone is going to say blah blah blah GM doesnt care about what one person wants... well maybe they should start.

 

I didn't know that about the 89 Camaro, thanks for the history lession. If you are correct about there being more than 2 versions of the LS2 then it looks like GM is planning to ***** out the LS2 name like DC is doing with Hemi. Hopefully the next LS2 has 3 valve heads . Making a dogged version of the LS2 would be as bad as putting a V6 in the GTO or Vette IMO. I'd rather see 325HP and 375HP version of the 5.3L LS4 filling out the low end of the V8 spectrum.

 

Assuming vette buyers don't cross shop Camaro's, they didn't have to, because for the last 20 years the Corvette always outperformed the Camaro with at least an equal engine. There was never a case of any Z/28s with a hotter motor. (Let's leave the '89 TTA and 3rd gen SLP Firehawks out)

So you're right the guy who pays more gets more OF EVERYTHING, including motor. Thus the Camaro's engine lineup ends where the Vette's begins.

 

That's alittle over the top there, bud.

An LS2...even in mild tune...will probably stomp an LS1.

EDIT: Would this be the same 310, 325, 375HP LS4 RPO.... as the 285 HP LS4 in the W-cars?

 

I thought the LT4 was the first SBC to get roller rockers from the factory? I've NEVER heard of any Gen1 engines coming with roller rockers.

Maybe you meant roller lifters? Yet the L03 had hydraulic roller lifters also.

 

What's everyone worried about? You just know someone like GMMG will have a 7.0L supercar version within 18 months of its initial release date.

 

Roller lifters...correct.

You guys don't let me get away with anything.

 

Can you explain this to me? I have noticed that most manufacturers are switching to this philosophy. However, it doesn't make sense to me. There are thousands of potential buyers out there that want performance, but can't afford the extra luxury equipment. Why deny them the opportunity?

 

Maybe it could be a special edition Yenko or Penske Trans Am Z28 with the 7.0. Hey if the Mustang could have a special edition why can't a Camaro?

Also I would love to see the 6.0 as the standard Camaro V8 but with this 5.3 its almost like the Camaro going back to its roots cause correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the first camaros have 327s as their V8 engines before the 396 and 350 get put in. also isn't the litre's from a 327 come out be pretty close to 5.3 litre's?

But it's pretty crazy what power GM got out of that 327 in the 60's I believe at one point the 327 was making 375hp in the vette's? Also I would like to have an affordable V8 Camaro and if having the 5.3 in there would make an affordable Camaro then I'm all for it.

 

I hope they stick with the 1 v8 engine choice on the f cars. Personally, i like the fact that i can get an LT1/Ls1 without having to fork the $$$ over for a top of the line SS. This is what made the 4th gens so great. I want the same with the 6.0 Ls2. I think Fords strategy of offering 2 v8's is what ultimatly kept the GT back in the Hp race for the last decade since it always got stuck with the tamer of the two engines. If GT's and Cobra's all got the dohc motors, the gap wouldn't have been as big. Same with the 3rd gen and their 305 and 350 offerings in comparison to Fords 302 on the Lx and top of the line GT's.

Btw: If GM were to offer a 5.3 option, i'm almost positive that the z28 is the one that is going to be stuck with it (not something i or many here like to see). I see some here suggesting that the SS get the 5.3, while the z28 gets the hotter 6.0, but that goes against GM's current SS strategy.

 

It certainly does.

We woke up one day and found ourselves in a world of 340hp family sedans and wagons. What will the consumer expect from "sporty" cars in the near future? Certainly..at least as much, if not more from a base V8. And in this segment, a highly strung, more highly stressed, smaller displacement engine, which perhaps is not compatible with an automatic trans...is not a winning idea.

I may be a simple guy...but to me the business plan is obvious.

Choose a smaller, more highly stressed engine....which may require more expensive components, (like valvetrain for example), more expensive fuel...and which may not deliver the smoothness and livability expected in this segment......or..... go with perhaps a cheaper, more livable larger displacement solution.

Did I mention that Ford is developing a 6.2L "Hurricane" V8?

 

I don't understand you. You want a Camaro to be quicker than a Corvette??

Put down the crack pipe (to steal Branden's phrase). It's begining to affect perceptions of reality here. Corvette is Chevrolet's top performer. End of story.

Camaro may be just behind it, but if you think GM is going to make a Chevy Camaro out perform a Corvette, you need therapy.


Again, I don't understand you. If you want something sick fast, buy yourself a go cart, and strap on a GEnx engine (55,000 to 70,000 pounds of thrust) and have yourself a ball.

Mustangs are pretty damn quick. As long as a Camaro going at the same price is quicker & handles better, GM has earned it's pay. If you want something quicker, then pay for it, even if it's a higher priced engine option in the Z28 or a Corvette or Z06.

Next we'll have some teenager with too much hormones saying GM has a "stick up it's a**" because it isn't putting a 8.1 liter twin turbo V8 into Z28s and selling them at Mustang GT prices.