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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Is this simply the concept name or is this expected for production. If this is the DTS replacement why not call it that as I'm sure it's customer base is big on name recognition.

And if "X" is supposed to be the top class this continues down the less than illustrious path started by the XLR.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:38 AM
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Remember that not everyone wants RWD. There are many people that will only want FWD and why alienate this people from buying Cadillac? Give them at least an option (a good one).

I agree with that.... but I would MUCH perfer them to take the RWD platform route, and address these people with the AWD option, rather than doin git from a FWD standpoint.

Make smore sense on a performance, and luxury front, IMHO.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Good Ph.D
Is this simply the concept name or is this expected for production. If this is the DTS replacement why not call it that as I'm sure it's customer base is big on name recognition.

And if "X" is supposed to be the top class this continues down the less than illustrious path started by the XLR.

I think Cadillac's whole nomenclature actually meaning somethinghas gone in the trash can.

The SRX is no longer related to the STS, though I guess you could say that doesnt matter since STS is ont he way out.... but still.

But, yes, the XTS / XLR thing doesnt make sense either, though XLR is on the way out...

Still is dumb for the letters not to mean anything.


Oh ya, the CTS Wagon should be "CTW" and the coupe should be "CTC", but that's not the case either.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 11:08 AM
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They need to bring back real names. Lincoln is the worst, but Caddy's names are weaksauce too.

Even BMW, who used to have a legit formula, has gone bonkers. Z4 sDrive35s? WTF is that?

750 used to equal 7 Series, 5.0L engine. Not anymore.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jcamere94z28
Remember that not everyone wants RWD. There are many people that will only want FWD and why alienate this people from buying Cadillac? Give them at least an option (a good one).
Try telling that to a BMW or Mercedes buyer. Cadiillac should be all RWD/AWD and Buick should get the massive FWD snooze barges.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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Production is supposed to start Jan 2, 2012....that makes it less than 2 years
It is over 2 years, before you will be able to drive off the lot in one, that is what I meant.

As for the FWD/RWD thing......... there is great controversy over there also. I realize that everyone has their opinion. My opinion, is that this car cheapens the Cadillac brand. I'm sure that it will sell well, just as the SRX has. However, I don't feel that the SRX, or this car, do anything to promote Cadillac as "the standard of the world."

Alot of people want to bring up Audi, when they argue their point on this, and I can use the Audi arguement also. You cannot buy an Audi A8, in the US, that is NOT AWD. It is their flagship sedan, and they will not "lessen" it, by offering it with FWD only.

I think both, would make great Buicks.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 11:41 AM
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People around here tend to forget that Cadillac has been building FWD land yachts for over four decades!
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 94LightningGal
It is over 2 years, before you will be able to drive off the lot in one, that is what I meant.

As for the FWD/RWD thing......... there is great controversy over there also. I realize that everyone has their opinion. My opinion, is that this car cheapens the Cadillac brand. I'm sure that it will sell well, just as the SRX has. However, I don't feel that the SRX, or this car, do anything to promote Cadillac as "the standard of the world."

Alot of people want to bring up Audi, when they argue their point on this, and I can use the Audi arguement also. You cannot buy an Audi A8, in the US, that is NOT AWD. It is their flagship sedan, and they will not "lessen" it, by offering it with FWD only.

I think both, would make great Buicks.
I took your "2+" years as in more than 2 years and 1 month....

Do you really think a FWD option will change the mind of that many potential buyers? Whats the point of AWD in States like Florida, Arizona,Texas, etc....? The FWD will also improve the EPA along with the plug-in hybrid system.

Didn't Ford just cease development of a new global large rear-wheel drive vehicle platform?

How much is Lincoln cheapened by FWD?

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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
People around here tend to forget that Cadillac has been building FWD land yachts for over four decades!
shhhh!
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 01:36 PM
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It isn't like people will be racing the big cars from luxury manufacturers. If you want to drive a BMW you buy a M5, if you want someone to drive you around you buy a 7 series. Same goes for the XTS. This isn't a race car, it is luxury transportation.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 95redLT1
I took your "2+" years as in more than 2 years and 1 month....

Do you really think a FWD option will change the mind of that many potential buyers? Whats the point of AWD in States like Florida, Arizona,Texas, etc....? The FWD will also improve the EPA along with the plug-in hybrid system.

Didn't Ford just cease development of a new global large rear-wheel drive vehicle platform?

How much is Lincoln cheapened by FWD?
Well, 2yrs and 1 month is 2+ years, by definition.

Yes, I do think FWD cheapens the XTS. If you are selling a $60K plus vehicle (XTS Platinum), you really do not want to see every limo service, or rental service, running around with a car that "looks" the same. It cheapens the buying experience, and frankly, the snob appeal. Snob appeal does play a big part, in the buying of a "flagship" large sedan.

The reality being, Cadillac needs the volume of the XTS sales, with profits, to support their CTS habit. The same, with the SRX.

I have no problems with the vehicles themselves. It just messes up what Cadillac has said that they want to be............ and are aspiring to be.

Nowhere did I bring Lincoln into this. While I may or may not like Lincolns products, they are at least consistant. There is a steady theme of purpose to them, and Ford is slowly moving them up the respectability ladder. No, they do not have a CTS........... but they don't have to support a CTS either. This allows Ford to make steady improvements to the vehicles, with each MCE, and each redesign.

Frankly, having a car as good as the CTS, makes it a very hard act to follow.

Again, my complaint is that GM can't seem to decide if Cadillac is Cadillac, or Buick.

Of course, this is just my opinion, and I may be wrong.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
Hardly.

Keep in kind we're talking about a top of the company, Flagship (for now) car.

The current DTS is 207" long.....5" longer.

Crown Victoria is 212" long......10" longer.

This new Cadillac is less than a thumb longer than an Impala.

It's less than an index finger's length longer than the last Grand Prix.

Current Town Car is 215".....14" longer!

Even the current BMW 7 series is marginally longer at 205" and the MKS is 204" long....
3 and 2" longer respectively.

This new Caddy is only 202" long.....certainly not a "LOOOOONG car".... unless you're used to driving Cobalts and Civics.

It's long to me... Magnum is the biggest car I've owned.
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:40 PM
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ok only read the article and a few posts..

but what I gather is this is the closest thing that will be sold that maybe the "older" caddy audience will buy.

IE: the old school huge caddy crowd?

I like it. For what it is. to bad it is FWD..AGAIN!!! GM..with AWD optional??

And I agree its better than what Fords got on the grill on thier Mk's
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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Peter D had a lot of good stuff to say about the car in his blog this week. Must be pretty stunning in person.

I just wish they'd display it in 2011 instead of 2010 if its not going to be produced until 2012
Old Jan 13, 2010 | 04:19 PM
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Well, 2yrs and 1 month is 2+ years, by definition.

Yes, I do think FWD cheapens the XTS. If you are selling a $60K plus vehicle (XTS Platinum), you really do not want to see every limo service, or rental service, running around with a car that "looks" the same. It cheapens the buying experience, and frankly, the snob appeal. Snob appeal does play a big part, in the buying of a "flagship" large sedan.

The reality being, Cadillac needs the volume of the XTS sales, with profits, to support their CTS habit. The same, with the SRX.

I have no problems with the vehicles themselves. It just messes up what Cadillac has said that they want to be............ and are aspiring to be.

Nowhere did I bring Lincoln into this. While I may or may not like Lincolns products, they are at least consistant. There is a steady theme of purpose to them, and Ford is slowly moving them up the respectability ladder. No, they do not have a CTS........... but they don't have to support a CTS either. This allows Ford to make steady improvements to the vehicles, with each MCE, and each redesign.

Frankly, having a car as good as the CTS, makes it a very hard act to follow.

Again, my complaint is that GM can't seem to decide if Cadillac is Cadillac, or Buick.

Of course, this is just my opinion, and I may be wrong.
We can only hope that one day GM will be as good as Ford...



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