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Old 07-31-2008, 09:56 AM
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No, there was a V8 Monza for at least a few years.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by teal98
P.S. I wonder what the weight complainers would say if Camaro came out like a 1-series with a V6 as the top engine.
That would be the beginning of the end for the Camaro. A V8 is too integral to the Camaro's heritage to exclude it.

A V8 and light weight aren't mutually exclusive. If the V8 gets smaller, with slightly lower power output, the chassis doesn't have to be over-engineered to deal with a huge amount of power (like Zeta is).

If Alpha comes in at the 3500 lb. range, maybe lower, a smaller V8 with around 400 HP should be plenty. We don't need a heavy, 500+ HP supercharged V8.
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Old 07-31-2008, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
No, there was a V8 Monza for at least a few years.
so? a 1series V6 car shouldn't be called camaro. monzas were never designed for a V8. i think its a more fitting name for a car like that. one i'd be interested in.
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Old 07-31-2008, 12:24 PM
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Well, they can't sell a "heritage" Monza, nobody would care.

Without a V8, the car would need modern styling and an entirely different marketing plan than Camaro. At that point there's little value in re-using a classic muscle car nameplate.
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Old 07-31-2008, 12:30 PM
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seems like everytime GM delays or cancels a program its is a bad idea. They only one that should have been canceled in recent years and wasn't was the Aztek. Can anyone think of a car that was canceled or delayed and rightfully so?
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:47 PM
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seems like everytime GM delays or cancels a program its is a bad idea. They only one that should have been canceled in recent years and wasn't was the Aztek. Can anyone think of a car that was canceled or delayed and rightfully so?
The Aztek was a good idea that got ruined on the way from concept to development.
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Old 07-31-2008, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
so? a 1series V6 car shouldn't be called camaro. monzas were never designed for a V8. i think its a more fitting name for a car like that. one i'd be interested in.
No GM sold a Monza w/ a V8 therefore it WAS designed for a V8. I was just correcting that, I am not advocating anything.
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Old 08-01-2008, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
No, there was a V8 Monza for at least a few years.
Yeah, but that thing was really lame. I think that 120hp was about as good as it got. Of course, if the 6 makes 105 and the 4 makes 85, then 120 looks better.

It had the same number of cylinders as a modern V8, but...
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Old 08-01-2008, 06:22 AM
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I believe the Monza was originally designed for the rotary engine, but the V8 was used when GM gave up on the rotary.
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Old 08-01-2008, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by teal98
Yeah, but that thing was really lame. I think that 120hp was about as good as it got. Of course, if the 6 makes 105 and the 4 makes 85, then 120 looks better.

It had the same number of cylinders as a modern V8, but...
Look at hp output of other V8 cars of the same era. To say it wasn't a real v8 because it didn't have LS1 level power output is completely insane. I am done w/ this conversation, you obviously aren't being reasonable here since you keep coming up with excuses to not see the truth.
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by teal98
P.S. I wonder what the weight complainers would say if Camaro came out like a 1-series with a V6 as the top engine.
If that would be the case, leave the Camaro dead.
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Old 08-01-2008, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Look at hp output of other V8 cars of the same era. To say it wasn't a real v8 because it didn't have LS1 level power output is completely insane. I am done w/ this conversation, you obviously aren't being reasonable here since you keep coming up with excuses to not see the truth.
Calm down a bit. I have no idea what "truth" it is that you're talking about.

I think you're confusing my posts with someone else's. I didn't say it wasn't a real V8. It was a small block Chevy after all.

Just about all engines from that era were lame.
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Originally Posted by teal98
Calm down a bit. I have no idea what "truth" it is that you're talking about.

I think you're confusing my posts with someone else's. I didn't say it wasn't a real V8. It was a small block Chevy after all.

Just about all engines from that era were lame.
My bad, the discussion w/ 97z28/m6 was just going back and forth and I thought you were him.
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Old 08-02-2008, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
My bad, the discussion w/ 97z28/m6 was just going back and forth and I thought you were him.
No problem. Today, if you're in an area with no emissions, you can put whatever smallblock you want into a Monza, and it'll be a completely different beast. But I don't think that many survived.

I had an '80 with an Iron Duke and a four speed (my first car). That car was not the best thing ever out of GM....
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Old 08-02-2008, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 30thZ286speed
I find it so frustrating to read stories about GM like this. Maybe GM is too big for its own good.
GM should have had a modern RWD chassis available across the board 10 years ago. Back then, the B-bodies would have only been gone 3 or so years and the F-body could have made a seamless transfer over to a new Camaro without 8 year void we had.

Chevy should have jumped on the RWD Roadmaster that Buick dealers rejected. They could have really used something that is slightly larger and more upscale than the Impala.
I agree, when the Buick dealers rejected this car Corporate should have offered it to Chevy as a new Caprice. If Chevy had taken it & the car became a success (relatively speaking, I'm thinking 50-60 K per year) then those Buick dealers would've been kicking themselves in the *** for passing it up when it was offered to them 1st!
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