I think chrome383 is right...we can argue this all day, and I knew we could going into this. Those who buy foreign-labeled, domestically-built cars are going to feel different than those of us who buy domestics. Neither one is going to change the other's mind, so lets just all enjoy the damn cars and pray there's jobs left in the US in 30 years so we can all enjoy whatever the hell we wanna drive

 

In 30 years, I hope there's a hell of a lot less unionized manufacturing jobs in the US. If there is, it means we've isolated ourselves to the point of setting us up for a real crash that will make this mild recession/loss of factory jobs we have now seem like the Golden Age.

And I hope we have more car choices than we've had for a 110 years, back when everybody had a car company.

-B

 

Quote me please. You took what I said wrong, I did not say anything other then it was GM designed. I said from the begining it was on Toyota's platform. That to me does not make it a toyota if the entire car was designed by GM itself.

 

You guys have absolutely killed the Vibe thing. I could honestly care less where it was made, who made it, or even if a little elf designed it. DONT CARE!




(Meant as a joke of coarse )

 

I'm no charity. I buy what caters to my needs/prefrences and does so at the best value. My last 3 vehicles have been domestic, but i'd buy an import in a blink of an eye. So i don't really think i have any obligation towards buying American only.

 

falchulk,
Ok, you win. I surrender. When you say Pontiac designed a car, for future reference, that means they designed THE WHOLE CAR. When it has all Toyota mechanicals, that does NOT mean PONTIAC DESIGNED THE CAR. Design involves more than friggen styling, capiche? Not trying to be a jerk here, but the car is way more Toyota than Pontiac.

And I refuse to subject these poor people to any more ramblings about a 130hp station wagon

 

And opinion is all I mentioned to begin with.

And I wasn't re-stating the obvious, I was pointing out your position as it related to your comment about media bias.

 

Buying a Mexican-assembled Chevy Tahoe supports a whole lot more Mexicans than buying a Mississippi-assembled Nissan Armada. It should be a matter of shame at GM that a high-profit margin SUV is assembled in MEXICO.

Buy American. It's the Mexican way.

 

I also believe the Tahoe is assembled in Arlington TX.

Now how about those Armada pics?

 

Chris what kinda $h!t is this, I'm a socialist...do you even KNOW how close to a COMMUNIST system we actually are???Don't comment until you do some REAL reasearch yourself, I HAVE...And I don't like what I found...(Let's grow up, shall we?)
Brother, I fully understand this, I never said give them the same wage a Union brother here makes. I said they should make a wage worthy of their labor, which ofcourse will differ from state to state let alone country to country. But they should be able to support themselves on those wages at a similar quality of life as us...don't you think?
First of all, my family is from(near Morehead) KY, and secondly most of the people I know would buy American, EVEN IF THEY WORK FOR A JAPANESE COMPANY...for many reasons, especially to support American companies and jobs...you underestimate the principals of people from KY. Check the parking lots down there, I guarentee you, you will find most of those workers you mention drive domestics. I live near a Honda plant(Marysville, OH) and I see WAY more domestics than imports, even tho they get a discount plan...it says a lot....
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Son, how do you think the dollar got into the condition it's in???You just made my point for me...
All I was saying is, get over the "My car is made better than your car" thing, there's way more to the story...(let's not take away from the issue by flaming..)

 

Try Silao, Mexico.

Just what is it you do for a living?

 

Are all those folks down in Morehead, Kentucky Howard Dean-loving Democrats? Buying a UAW-assembled vehicle is pretty much the same thing as supporting Dean's bid to be DNC chairmain. By now, it should be obvious to everyone that the UAW can't be separated from a Democratic political agenda - and the Democratic party depends on funding from the UAW membership.

 

Toyota just had a tv ad stating that they employ 200k people in the United States. Interesting.


I will buy the best car for the money, no matter what brand it is.

 

Where do you get off calling me "son"? Sorry but that just rubs me VERY the wrong way. I'm an educated adult, not a child and certainly not YOUR child. I think I deserve to be addressed with a little more respect than that. Some might think I'm overreacting to being addressed that way, but I don't.

And how was I even making any kind of "my car is made better than your car" issue....

Second of all, do not lecture me on political systems, you might not like how stupid you end up looking afterward. Be careful what assumptions you make about me.

Third, what evidence do you have that the wages people are making at US employers in third world countries AREN'T enough to live a decent life in their country? Fact is 99% of the time US outsourced labor pays higher than the local prevailing wage in these countries, thereby increasing the standard of living. Wouldn't you have to pay a better than average wage to attract the skilled labor? Even if you didn't, would not reducing the unemployment rate there raise standards of living for even people NOT working for the US firm? Methinks Mr. Socialism needs to go back and study up on Capitalism some more.

I'm really not sure how I am underestimating the values of Kentuckians since I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN KENTUCKY. Did you miss that part? Despite the fact the state is overwhelmingly Democrat, they've gone for Bush twice, elected their first Republican governer in 30 years, and the state's congressional delegation is almost all GOP. I bet that really burns you up, but the fact is even 40% of UAW workers vote GOP. KY is not exactly the socialist paradise you wish it were.

You REALLY do not know what you are talking about, and it shows. Just the fact you claim socialism as a legitimate, viable economic system tells me all I need to know.

 

The Point of all this is that a rising tide lifts all boats, and that tide is unfettered globalization. There's no other force that raising standard of living at the same speed.

No amount of misplaced patriotism (and I'm as patriotic as you can get) or protectionism changes this fact. If I did not firmly believe open trade an globalization wasn't good for the US I would not advocate for it, but history has born this out time and time again to all but those who refuse to see it.