Something is seriously wrong with that h/c '02 TA if it is running 112 traps. A cam only WS6 around here runs 119mph. I have had NO problem disposing of a 99+ GT with my car off the bottle. It's not pretty at all past 60mph. I was simply stating that your statement that LS1's have problems with GT's is way off base

 

No you're right, a lot of LS1s will royally spank a Mustang GT. But some don't and some mustangs are spanking LS1s with little or no mods.

Thats why I was saying the next Camaro should have the LS2. The difference between the two cars should be like the 1994/95 Mustang GT vs the 93-97 Fbody. 15.5/15.1 vs 14.3/13.8. JMO.

 

whaaa ???

 

Base cars get 3.9 w/ optional 5.3.

SS and Z/28 get the LS2 or whatever the top motor of the day is, but not the LS7. That would be too good to be true for Camaro.

I say make the base car a nice ride, not an afterthought, build it for the majority of buyers. Then make the SS the over the top option king w/ the hot engine ala 4th gen, and the Z/28 the Z06 of Camaroland ala 1LE. I say again...the Z/28 I have envisioned would likely sell less than the total Z/28 production for '67...it would be a NICHE vehicle which would turn off the MAJORITY of buyers as being too rough, too raw, too focused on performance. Of course half the buyers are probably on this board

Look at the CTS example...

base CTS=base Camaro
CTS luxury sport(if it had an LS6)=SS
CTSv=Z/28

you dig?

 

CLEAN, I pretty much agree with your whole post....except for this statement.

Selling no more than 602 units is just a sliver of a niche. The Ford GT will have more volume than that.

I think production should generally be based on demand. Sure, this won't be the high volume model....but like the Z06, all those so inclined...should be able to get one.

 

Am i missing something?

 

I wouldn't have it as a restricted option at all, I just figured that the one that I would build wouldn't have much appeal to the average joe. It would be very focused on performance, and if that meant it rode hard and the exhaust gave you a headache from the noise...oh well, get an SS .

 

No sense making a Z/28 appeal to the average Joe. But I bet there are enough "sick Joe's".....like us....to sell 10 -15 thousand of 'em per year.

 

All I am saying is that most people here assume the "Chevy coupe" will be powered by an LS2.

There is quite abit of "smallblock" developement going on, as we speak. New bore/stroke combos, for example. Unfortunately, Camaro is not right around the corner. It would be reasonable to expect that some of these developments would find there way into the next Camaro. And with what's in the pipeline from Ford and DCX....Camaro will need to be competitive.

Getting back to the LS2, there will probably be several versions of the 6.0 called "LS2". Think about the LT1 for a second. There were different versions for B-car, F-car and Y-car. They all had different blocks, (2 bolt main vs 4 bolt main), different heads, different cams, different compression ratios, different exhausts, different air intakes, different horsepower ratings.....yet all 3 versions were marketed as "LT1".

 

It'd be nice to know that there were 10-15k sick joes out there! The way GTO sales are going...I wonder

 

I am all for a high performance "hardcore Z/28) but not too crazy.

Just on the same level as the Corvette Z06 is the the normal Corvette.

Not like the 2000 Cobra R--no radio, no sound deadning, no back seat ect. That car was a race car with signal lights!

Lets not get carried away here and make it unbreable to drive on the street.


BTW---the only reason the 04 CObra does only 155mph (which may be a tick slower then an LS1 Camaro) is the fact it has a speed limiter.

Bad areodynamics would send it airborne at some point (170mph?) thats why the 00 Cobra R had that huge wing to add some downforce and keep the car stable.

 

That's because the GTO has a poor "price/sick ratio."

 

Personally I would like to see a Base v6, a S/C v6(use the rwd engine from Holden) for the Rs platform, and then an LS2 for the SS and Z platform.

 

Yeah, Z/28 in line w/ the Z06....brakes, wheels/tires, suspension, ommission of certain heavy and/or expensive options..exhaust, specific gearing. Not a Cobra R. But it would have all of the standard stuff, PL, PW, cruise, A/C,and all that.

Look at the 2002 ZL1's...thats what I'm thinkin a Z should be, minus the expensive engines. Just give it the same engine as the SS, and let it ride on its own particular character. Separate but equal to SS.

 

I read each and every post on this thread that was on topic (skipping over the crap that was off topic, IE mustang trap speeds) and have come out of this experience VERY excited. I'm 18, and by the time '07, '08 rolls around, I will be graduating from school with a BA in CDD. I'm going to wait another year after the first year the camaro comes out and then I'm going to make my move. And here's what I've come up with from reading everything.

Camaro:
3.9L V6 @ 220 HP+
Options include Power everything.

Camaro RS:
5.3L LS4 @ 360 HP+
Options include Power Everything + Gears + 6 speed + Leather etc.

Camaro SS:
Cammed LS4 @ 390+ HP
Options include the same as the RS plus maybe wheels and some other minor things.

Camaro Z/28:
6.0L LS7 @ ~500 HP
Race Car with Power Everything. Only around 1-200 made.

Seems like an awesome line up to me. Sign me up, I'll take an SS please.