What about :
I-6 = 275HP
5.3L = 325HP
6.0L = 375HP("Chevy rated.."LSx Edit = 400HP..)

I think the I-6 would create a strong connection to the Camaro's begining, be easier to work on, and the New I-6 is NO JOKE either!..

 

here's what's going through my head...

What is going to be available for the trucks and vans? Any chance that they might get aluminum blocks? I know the SSR's 5.3L block is aluminum, but do any of the silverado's get alum blocks yet?


Since the 6.0L alum block is going to be in the Corvette, the GTO, the CTS-V, and the Camaro, I think volume will be high enough to use it in the mid engine also.

I would consider doing like the GM did with the 02 Camaros. Awesome heads, but use a small duration truck cam. The standard truck 6.0L puts out 300hp@4400/360tq@4000 with only 9.4:1 compression and can take cheap gas with no problem. The SS's 6.0L puts out 345hp@5200/380tq but needs 10.0:1 compression. That's not too high either. My iron head LT1 has 10.1:1, and the LS2 is up to 10.9:1.

Somewhere between the regular truck and the SS 6.0 would be good.

 

OK.....

Are you saying that the goal of a theoretical mid-range V8 might be to create cheaper insurance rates? Or, are you saying that a theoretical mid-range should be available for other reasons....regardless of impact on insurance rates?

 

how about the aluminum 6.0L block (4.0" bore) with the 4.8L's 3.27" stroke Wait, Ford would gripe for "copying" their 5.4L

 

Ding Ding Ding.....we have a winner....

 

Hmmmm...

Well, that is good to hear... the whole 3rd engine thing used to be shot down relatively quick...

As far as 'other reasons'.... that's a head scatcher.

The reason that makes the most sense to me is the reason I bought my 1989 RS with the V8... I wanted the PRIDE of being able to say I had a V8 engine when people asked!


Perhaps another engine will be available at the factory due to a sister car?

Perhaps the whole dealer-installed supercharger kits for the V6 base engine is a go, and this is considered the '3rd engine' even though it is not factory-offered?

Perhaps, perhaps..... awww, hell, now you got me all dizzy, Red!!!

 

Good.

It looks like RP is forewarning us then, not to expect a mid-level V8 to necessarilly be cheap to insure. That makes sense.

 

Also.....

Then, it doesn't make sense for this V8 to be under 300hp then either.


What's the point?

You're not catering to insurance rates and under 300 ponies brings you into hi-po V6 striking distance......I'm sticking with my 87 octane, restricted intake/exhaust 6.0.

 

Darth...buddy...

Haven't you read what Doug and I have been posting on here for months now? Doesn't ANYONE believe us???

THERE WILL BE A THIRD ENGINE, despite the fact it was shot down before. And, it will have EIGHT SPARK PLUGS I hope everyone is paying attention now...

Guys, we're getting two V8s. And for those of you who think it is "not necessary," look at former production numbers, and read what the overall consensus is. Some of you may not like it...but some of us do. And like you said Darth...you wanted the 8. You only gained 35 measly HP over the 2.8, but you got torque, the sound, and the feel of an 8. To many (myself included), thats enough. 300hp is more than enough for a mid-level engine. I don't need 400. Hell, I rarely use the 285 in the Z!

 

Reasons for using a mid level V8:

1. Increase market volume of the Camaro.

2. Limited production of 6.0L engine.

3. Costs. Less powerful V8 can share driveline parts with V6, but an LS2 needs "beefier", more expensive components.

4. LS2 is the midrange engine?!? LS7 is the H.O. engine?!?

 

The 4.2 I6 is a truck motor. Always will be. Have you actually seen one pulled out of the TB/Envoy? It's way too tall to ride in a car.

A mid-range V8 couldn't hurt. I say bring it! (Even though the top-dog would still be the car for me, there's no denying the popularity of...and demand for...a car like the Mustang GT...)

 

How about a 300hp 4.8 RS vs. the 300hp 4.6 GT.

That would be a good grudge match between pony cars, and no one can call foul over a displacement advantage.

 

It's so great to hear that this Mid-V8 is "confirmed." That is exactly what the Camaro needed again and if done properly, it will sell.

 

Do you think that the mid-level V8 will:

A) Fill the role that the LG4/L03 filled in the 3rd gen?

or

B) Fill the role of the budget hot rod?

or

C) Both?

 

I think it will be both, with a better execution than an LG4/L03.

The reason I say this is because the basic engine architecture of the base V8 will now mirror the top engine as far as overall sophistication. We will not have vastly different fuel systems, for example. I think you will see a 4.8/5.3 fill this role around 300hp quite nicely.

Economies of scale mean this can be done as a quality budget motor. To me, this will mirror over to the budget hot rod end, as well. I see a base Camaro V8 as being better than an L03/LG4 proposition these days. These cars were running 0-60 between 8 and 9.5 seconds, and 16 sec 1/4 miles. They were barely faster than say, a 2.8 Celebrity Eurosport of the day, which was around 10.5 sec 0-60.

Now, we're going to have a base car with an engine that approaches the potential of the LS1 F bodies we all love. With all cars making more performance these days, the gap between base and all-out has dropped dramatically. I feel 275hp is more than sufficient...but we will probably get more than that...I feel 300hp is spot on as an estimate, based on current engine technology.

So I THINK you will see both roles filled. Budget hot rod because of the performance characteristics, and mod potential no TBI or 4 barrel ever thought of having. Parts will be plentiful, and probably cheap, just like the good ol' days

Conversely, it will also fill the traditional mid-level role those aforementioned engines did. It will sell to people who, like me, will never use the full potential of it, but want the damn V8. 305 TBIs could be used to their full potential on the street before. The beauty of technology is, we'll get a car that for someone like me, will never have its limits reached, save for once a year maybe When I sold 'Birds, sooo many people wanted the 8, but didn't want to pay the extra 4k for the Formula...

Give them a V8 for $1,495, like I outlined above, and they will come...me included!!!